Best marksman for jung and adc?

Paladin 0f Life·Feb 2, 2016·1 votes·463 views

Thoughts and why?

15 Comments

KrugLyfeFeb 2, 20162 votes

Graves

Critmaster GarenFeb 2, 20162 votes

every marksman is an adc.

except teemo.

IncognonymousFeb 2, 20163 votes

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every marksman is an adc.

except teemo.

Gnar/Urgot/Jayce.

Pika310Feb 2, 20163 votes

Urgot is more of an ADC than Graves or Quinn. He performs perfectly fine in the role, he's just very unpopular and most don't know how to play him.

IncognonymousFeb 2, 20162 votes

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Urgot is more of an ADC than Graves or Quinn. He performs perfectly fine in the role, he's just very unpopular and most don't know how to play him.

His kit centers around landing E with W up and successive Q's. I've never built crit, AS, or lifesteal on him besides what TF provides of those stats. Graves and Quinn spend waaaay more time autoing than Urgot.

Pika310Feb 3, 20164 votes

Not every ADC builds the same items. Hurricane is only usable on less than half of all ADCs. Iceborn Gauntlet on even fewer than that, probably only 2 ADCs. Just because Urgot doesn't go CookieCutter build of IE+Shiv, etc. doesn't mean he isn't an ADC. His item path closely matches Ezreal's, are you to tell me Ezreal isn't an ADC either?

On the other hand, Graves is a jungler now. He doesn't have enough range to ADC, any half decent player will always win lane against him. In general, his autos being blocked by the first unit in range generally makes laning with him as a whole inferior to playing him in the jungle.

Quinn is... nonexistent. Her ult got removed, her preferred items don't work as well anymore and ADC items are even less viable than those. She's half of a champion and has no viable item path. She doesn't even work as Bruiser anymore, she sure as hell doesn't work as an ADC, she didn't even before the 5.22 gutting.

IncognonymousFeb 3, 20162 votes

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Not every ADC builds the same items. Hurricane is only usable on less than half of all ADCs. Iceborn Gauntlet on even fewer than that, probably only 2 ADCs. Just because Urgot doesn't go CookieCutter build of IE+Shiv, etc. doesn't mean he isn't an ADC. His item path closely matches Ezreal's, are you to tell me Ezreal isn't an ADC either?

On the other hand, Graves is a jungler now. He doesn't have enough range to ADC, any half decent player will always win lane against him. In general, his autos being blocked by the first unit in range generally makes laning with him as a whole inferior to playing him in the jungle.

Quinn is... nonexistent. Her ult got removed, her preferred items don't work as well anymore and ADC items are even less viable than those. She's half of a champion and has no viable item path. She doesn't even work as Bruiser anymore, she sure as hell doesn't work as an ADC, she didn't even before the 5.22 gutting.

Urgot's build path best resembles an AD Caster, because that's effectively what he is. He relies on abilities to do damage, not his terrible auto attack. I've never seen an Ezreal build Black Cleaver, personally, but I have seen them build BotRK and crit, two things you won't see on Urgot.

That doesn't mean Graves doesn't auto. Very clearly does, far more than Urgot, which was my point. Quinn was too strong and got what she deserved. She shit on anyone who had less range than her (all of top lane) and anyone who she could blind and burst down. Still autos more than Urgot. Hell, her passive demands it. Urgot's passive can be applied through abilities.

Pika310Feb 3, 20162 votes

My apologies, I was under the impression that Ezreal tends to build Muramana and Iceborn Gauntlet: 2 common items on Urgot. However, I guess I should take YOUR word at face value and assume the million or so Ezreals I've seen in the past week were apparently ALL trolling.

I thank you for your flawless insight into the nonexistence of Blue Ezreal.

IncognonymousFeb 3, 20162 votes

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My apologies, I was under the impression that Ezreal tends to build Muramana and Iceborn Gauntlet: 2 common items on Urgot. However, I guess I should take YOUR word at face value and assume the million or so Ezreals I've seen in the past week were apparently ALL trolling.

I thank you for your flawless insight into the nonexistence of Blue Ezreal.

Jokes on you, Blue Ezreal is trolling.

Pika310Feb 3, 20163 votes

Cool beans. Now you can go ahead and explain that to Sneaky:

http://www.probuilds.net/guide/show/NA/2085156417/51405

Or Piglet:

http://www.probuilds.net/guide/show/NA/2085979954/62374009

Or Wildturtle:

http://www.probuilds.net/guide/show/NA/2084285136/521955

IncognonymousFeb 3, 20161 votes

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Cool beans. Now you can go ahead and explain that to Sneaky:

http://www.probuilds.net/guide/show/NA/2085156417/51405

Or Piglet:

http://www.probuilds.net/guide/show/NA/2085979954/62374009

Or Wildturtle:

http://www.probuilds.net/guide/show/NA/2084285136/521955

You mean people with the mechanics and ability to play well enough to mitigate Blue Ezreal's idosyncracies compared to ADC Ezreal? Yeah, no, not representative. 99.99% of Blue Ezreal players could do better simply by not building like a piece of shit.

And citing pros to try and make out like it's not trolling? Those goes troll all the time, do you even watch their streams?

IncognonymousFeb 3, 20161 votes

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My apologies, I was under the impression that Ezreal tends to build Muramana and Iceborn Gauntlet: 2 common items on Urgot. However, I guess I should take YOUR word at face value and assume the million or so Ezreals I've seen in the past week were apparently ALL trolling.

I thank you for your flawless insight into the nonexistence of Blue Ezreal.

p.s. Urgot doesn't build IBG, he builds FH. Procs can only achieved by interweaving autos. Not easy if you're a caster who's autos are far shorter than his abilities, but also because the slow field and his W slow don't overlap well with IBG's. Old TF used to be worth getting, but now who knows? Even more stats he's not using.

He does like FH, however, namely because he can put himself within aura range of an entire team and immediately give his team the advantage, but also because the flat armor is just stacking with his flat resists on ult. It's a lot of armor to get through.

IncognonymousFeb 2, 20161 votes

Draven is pretty disgusting with blue buff, double axes, and near 100% W uptime, the problem is you take hits trying to micro. The best way to scum out axe catching is to position yourself against terrain so that the axes physically can only bounce either back to you or in one direction. Ganks are fine with E.

Graves can obviously jungle. I've seen Vayne, but never a good one, and never done it myself. I jungled Urgot when Elder Lizard was around. It probably would've been better with the old Warrior enchant's armor pen, but you can probably still do it fine. His E eats camps.

Very Hard EngageFeb 2, 20162 votes

jungle

Graves win rate speaks for itself Twitch for the early cheese

adc Lucian just really strong in mid game and late game thanks to his ult buff Tristana still great for tower pushing and one of the best ranged attackers.