Did anyone notice all the HP and CDR being removed from tanky support options?

WoonStruck·Oct 19, 2016·42 votes·1,918 views

Rip those guys.

39 Comments

Knight DevoutOct 19, 201616 votes

It's not like the role is already underappreciated as is! Can't wait to being shredded by guys with more levels and gold than us, oh wee!

TeineDorOct 19, 20161 votes

Then git gud scrubs hehe xd summoner 14

Ben SharpioOct 19, 20168 votes

then what needs to happen is duo jungle meta where ADC's are left alone in bot lane to 1 v 1while 4 peolpe are in the jungle fighting on both sides for camps so you can either choose a support with smite or a legit jungler that would be so sick wtf holy shit fk yeah

and everyone gets EXP

Knight DevoutOct 19, 20164 votes

I hope so.

TBH, either they spice up support itemization a little more (like this), Or I'll just change roles to top and midlaners. Especially with assassin's rework, I won't deal with that shit with nerfed itemization.

Battlecast SonaOct 19, 20161 votes

but the assassin rework is supposed to make them EASIER to deal with, not harder, which should actually be awesome for supports since lack of counterplay opportunities was one of the major problems with being a squishy support vs an assassin.

Knight DevoutOct 19, 20161 votes

I think we'll see, but at the moment they got a shiny new AD item with spellshield that let's them ignore my first istance of CC.

PyroOct 19, 20167 votes

Locket was bought on everyone, but it was in fact the only Kindlegem support item other than FotM.

With item 2303 being the only eyestone to grant zero CDR, and ionians being kinda not as good for taks ad Mobis, Treads and Tabi, tank supports are going to be kinda starved on CDR. Especially since they're feel forced to rush Knight's Vow and Locket, both of which have zero CDR on it.

Champion SkinOct 19, 20164 votes

Well I guess it is time to get CDR blues... maybe even CDR quints? Or maybe building item 3065 for MR... though... probably not as there is still item 3190 after all...

SpoofghoulOct 19, 20161 votes

just build 4x item 3065

cdr problem solved

WoonStruckOct 19, 20161 votes

Why not both? Locket won't include HP or CDR anymore.

Ariel the CruelOct 20, 20161 votes

But.... I like my 15 gold per minute Rune page from Season 2. XD

RisenDarkKnightOct 19, 20164 votes

Yeah they really should add some CDR to item 2303 and maybe Knight's Vow or Locket as well.

WoonStruckOct 19, 20164 votes

I think they want item 3110 to become must-buy again so they can nerf it super hard. :^)

They even decreased the price to make it a better buy for supports.

However, that still puts supports at an extreme shortage for HP.

Inb4 item 3083 item 3022 support meta.

Ariel the CruelOct 20, 20162 votes

Soraka item 3050 item 3083 item 2045 item 3060 item 3222 item 3158 The reign of the banana shall return!

HyperiönOct 19, 20162 votes

But just look at the new items they are releasing. They give the Health and fucking amazing passives.

SasogwaOct 19, 20162 votes

Knight's vow is crazy good though. And you can always go for item 3110 .

SilverjustOct 19, 20165 votes

Yes, but Frozen Hart is the only CDR option. Every tanksup will buy it and Riot will nerf it becaus of it.

R18Oct 20, 20161 votes

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Yes, but Frozen Hart is the only CDR option. Every tanksup will buy it and Riot will nerf it becaus of it.

Riot actually made it cheaper on the PBE

SilverjustOct 20, 20161 votes

But it´s the only CDR option for tanksups How about 2 versions of item 3190 one with CDR and the other one with a bit ap or something

or give Knights Vow CDR

The Yetii RiderOct 20, 20161 votes

We do have two versions of Locket: Locket and Banner of Command. And Banner of Command gives CDR.

SilverjustOct 20, 20161 votes

Ok but then there should be an other CDR tanksup item

The Yetii RiderOct 20, 20161 votes

Mikael's Crucible gives 35 MR and 10% CDR.

SilverjustOct 20, 20161 votes

Manareg is useless, low MR (I know, its the same as old item 3190 ) and no health. Shield- and healingpower is also useless except maybe on Taric. and healtregen per manaregen is also not that strong because you dont buy other manareg

The Yetii RiderOct 20, 20161 votes

Shield power helps Face of the Mountain and Courage of the Colossus.

Tahm Kench's Thick Skin, Alistar's Triumphant Roar, Thresh's Dark Passage and Taric's Imbue all benefit. Leona and Braum are the only two tank supports without a heal or a shield.

SilverjustOct 21, 20161 votes

ok, didnt think about that. But still, heal and shield supporter profit more from item 3222 and it doesn´t really help your tankiness (low mr no hp)

lol, Leona and Braum are my most played supports xD

The Yetii RiderOct 21, 20161 votes

The Shield power is so MUCH on Mikael's though. 20% is no joke. If Leona Zenith Blades into 5 enemies, Courage of the Colossus will give her a shield that is 190+35% of her max health. Add 20% to that and you get 228 + 42% of your max health.

Edit: Also applies to Locket shield. So 665 to every champ on the team. 20% of that is 133. So you go from 3325 maximum to 3990 maximum.

Mikael's Crucible is a good CDR item on everyone.

SilverjustOct 21, 20161 votes

Didn´t think about that. So how should the buildpath look like? item 3401 item 2049 and then item 3222 for MR, CDR, shield and anti-CC (depends on enemy, if that is useful in lane) or Knights Vow for health, armor, and passive or item 3110 for armor, CDR, and teamfights or item 3190 for armor, mr, and teamfights

The Yetii RiderOct 22, 20161 votes

Probably Locket first, because Aegis of the Legion is so much cheaper and so much more efficient to rush. Both Braum and Leona have armor and MR scaling on their Ws, so getting an item that has both early will help you out a lot in lane.

Blue Moon WolfOct 20, 20162 votes

I kind of feel like Riot is slowly tweaking Support to a good spot down the road, but getting there is involving a bunch of stuff that really makes it worse to be Support as is. Like we are looking at small section of a picture that looks terrible, Riot has the full picture and is telling us "Don't worry, this will look AMAZING when you see the whole thing."

WoonStruckOct 20, 20162 votes

Yeah, but the thing about Riot is that they do this all the time and they never actually finish the picture. They paint over what they've got once next pre-season starts. Now they've started doing that mid-season too.

Blue Moon WolfOct 20, 20161 votes

Yea, kind of makes the whole "Don't worry, this will look AMAZING" thing a little off putting when we are handed a new small picture, try to put it togeather with the other small pictures we have and realize they aren't even from the same picture :L

PapaGreg21Oct 19, 20161 votes

Tanks in general are just getting worse and worse. You rarely ever see them top lane so you're pretty much forced to have one support or jungle.

SilverjustOct 19, 20161 votes

Tanks are still very strong, but yes, nobody takes them top

Immortal spaxOct 19, 20161 votes

I think they noticed it and decreased in purpose the cost of the complete tanky support item, but for me isnt a great comoensation imo

WiegrafOfValorOct 19, 20161 votes

#RIOT PLEASE!!!!!

#ZEPHYR

#RECIPE:
KINDLEGEM(800G) + KINDLEGEM(800G) + 900G = 2500G

#STATS +450 HP +10% movement speed +20% cooldown reduction

#Passive UNIQUE: Gains 30 flat moviment speed while moving toward allied champion under 50% max HP.

PrimaquariusOct 19, 20161 votes

Is this real? If it is,

#Tilted

ZT XperimentorOct 20, 20161 votes

So much for tanks being playable . . . at all; each position they were strong in, riot has subtly stilted the game against them. Used to be top lane, then duelists took over; they moved to jungle until assassins took it, and then to support but then mages went there. Seem like a running gag to anyone else?

The Yetii RiderOct 20, 20161 votes

Tank supports are losing health but that change to Face of the Mountain, plus the new mastery Courage of the Colossus will give them two very powerful shields. And the flat health those two shields grant will be made better by having a single item that gives armor and MR (Locket).

Tank supports will be stronger when they initiate and weaker when they get caught out. Seems good.