Nerf Graves
This Graves rework is already bullshit.
This Graves rework is already bullshit.
Care to elaborate on literally anything regarding Graves bullshit? Or are you just another one of the drops in the ocean of crying babies that just whine and complain on forums hoping someone will give a shit about them?
It's the fact that he does so much fucking damage it's ridiculous. The supposed counter to ADCs are assassins, and graves can knockback/burst them down with ease.
How does Graves knockback anyone? His autos knock back minions only. The only assassin you've played against him is Master Yi and for some stupid reason you're building Guinsoo's both times?? How can you really not see the fault there. Build armor against him, don't stand in fucking melee range if you're ranged and if you are melee then don't stand near walls so his q damage isn't instant.
Guinsoo's gives Yi and AP ratio on-hit, so AP Yi is totally viable now. Besides that, I've spectated a few and it just seems that Graves is the counter to a supposed ADC counter. The burst he has is unbelievable for a group of champions about sustained damage.
Guinsoo's gives Yi and AP ratio on-hit, so AP Yi is totally viable now.
has existed for how long, now?
It wasn't enough. Guinsoo's gives the same AP scaling onhit, along with AD. Combine that with Nashor's, Gunblade, etc. and you have an onhit AP yi.
Guinsoo's gives the same AP scaling onhit
7.5 =/= 15
I didn't mean it in regards to numbers, I meant that they both give an on-hit effect scaling off of AP.
has the worst range of any adc and one of the highest damage outputs, why the fuck would you want to get near him when you can just kill him from afar with longer range adc's (cait, ashe etc) or a long range mage (xerath, syndra etc)
his whole kit literally says fuck you to anybody with less than 500 range, he can deal with melees but not ranged, once people learn how he works and to outpick him then it'll be fine
agreed i mean i like graves but i dont think hes OP and yet they alredy nerfing him, Now cait i think is OP now not rely shit u can do when she pushes u 2 turrent and then droppes 3 traps making it impossible for u 2 even move or CS around ur tower. and god forbid they have a support who can zone super hard like thresh or leona You litererally cant do anything bout it, ive tryed multiple games n if she pushes me to turrent or gets a slight lead in lane she just wins by default i think. Wats ur opinion?
Don't nerf too much...
How graves is op i dont understand,.
Now Cait is OP as fuck yet no1 sees it yet
Cait still can't do much in team fights.
This new Graves is something people arent used to, and don't know how to counter. Sure, he's quite tanky for a marksman, but still, come late game, hes still a glass cannon type, considering hes pretty much melee, if he wants to reach full dmg potential. People gotta avoid giving him a chance to combo, and kite him. His Q has ridiculous damage, but is not too difficult to evade in a teamfight, so long as ur back isnt against the wall. His ult is ok, the damage isnt huge later on, its more scary early to mid. Personally, Graves is strongest post 6 through to mid game, but late game, hes gotta play smart and his team has to help him a lot to allow his damage to get through, because he can play like a mage, relying on huge bursts for kills early on, but late game, he needs to get his autos in, insta kills become more difficult, and he cant always reach the squishies in backline... He's strong, but not op. Skill shot based champions usually arent considered too OP, especially when Grave's Q is easier to avoid compared to say zed Q.
If he face rolls everyone early game in bot lane, there is no "late game" at all.
-*Smoke screen" -Hit by Graves's Q -Graves E dashes and auto -Graves E dashes away
With that combo any squishy champion in early game is pretty much dead. Not to mention that the cone shape auto attack takes down turrets so easily.
I played couple games as adc in the pre-season, the only ones that i didn't lose were the ones that the enemy team didn't have Graves. Those one-shot champions like Rengar can't even survive from ganking him. That's how bs his kit is now.