AD Crit leblanc kills ppl faster than full AP burst leblanc

koshkyra·Sep 20, 2017·91 votes·8,275 views

You did it rito congrats

[zombie-brand-clap]

123 Comments

Giggling GrannySep 21, 201741 votes

Prove it..

Because i check it on practice tool full ap lb and full AD/CRIT lb

And the Full Ap LB did faster damage...

And the AD one even CRIT 4 of the 6 attacks.....

So you are full OF BS just to bash the AP items... Sure ADCs are broken right now but what you say has no ground

Anu3isIISep 21, 20176 votes

I think he bashes LB's rework for the 1.5 seconds delay on her passive.

ShadòwSep 20, 201724 votes

w8 is Crit LB actually becoming a thing?

because I just had one in my game today lol.

koshkyraSep 20, 201746 votes

Assassins gotta burst somehow so even ap assassins are gonna start abusing crit builds

ShadòwSep 20, 201715 votes

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Assassins gotta burst somehow so even ap assassins are gonna start abusing crit builds

https://i.imgur.com/yNlQWRM.jpg?noredirect

Tails9016Sep 21, 201718 votes

Leblanc's 1.5 second delay on her passive allows her to get bursted before it proc's. AD burst items, aka crit and lethality cover this flaw

2Charmnot2CharmSep 21, 201725 votes

Exactly, by the time her passive proc is ready the adc has already auto attacked 3 times along with life stealing if they have any.

Bottom LanerSep 22, 20172 votes

"if" item 1055 they have it at level 1

DarkSunSovereignSep 21, 20172 votes

(From my other comment)

Lvl 18 Draven with .

200 Ad from items+105 from levels = 305. Q damage: 50+(200 Bonus AD*105)= 260. Shiv proc: 160.

Subtotal Physical damage: 305+260+160 = 565. Subtotal Magic damage (shiv): 160. Subtotal mixed damage: 565+160 = 725

Total Physical damage with crit: 5652.50 = 1412 Total Magic damage with crit: 1602.50 = 400. Total with crit: (565+160)*2.50 = 1812.

(Let's assume he autos another Draven):

Physical damage reduced by 82 armor: 1412100/(100+82) = 775. Magic damage reduced by 38 MR: 400100/(100+38) = 290.

TL;DR: Final total amount: 1065 mixed damage. Draven base HP: 1952.

So not one auto, two autos. From range, and point and click, at capped AS (so 5 attacks in 2 seconds), all the while healing 20% off >of it, all of this without taking into account runes and masteries. Seems balanced, amirite?

DisembarkSep 22, 20171 votes

The Q damage doesn't crit lol. It just adds on to the normal auto crit.

DarkSunSovereignSep 22, 20171 votes

Oh fuck. I'm retarded.

On the other hand it's still just 260 less damage.

ganggoinkSep 21, 20172 votes

Not really, you play it wrong than

ModWulf HelhammerSep 21, 201713 votes

Op is trying to use this as an excuse to bash ADCs, rather than the more obvious fact that’s LeBlanc just sucks right now.

koshkyraSep 21, 201712 votes

Im actually talking about both

WalkingInACircleSep 21, 20175 votes

Leblanc is one of the most powerful midlaners, a near perma ban in pro play.

Celestial Lion12Sep 21, 20179 votes

emphasis on pro play there is a completely different meta from pros and average silver gold solo queue

PennsSep 21, 201723 votes

dont say she "sucks" then, when she only sucks if played by lower elo people imo

ImTheSideKickSep 21, 20179 votes

yeah cuz if she sucks for 99.99999% of people she doesn't suck just cuz that 0.00001 pro players can use her better

TwinkieProSep 21, 201711 votes

I f only the boards would say the same for Lee Sin...

NiaphimSep 21, 201710 votes

If this is true, it's absolutely hilarious. So, is it because of her scaling not really working with ap builds or because of lackluster ap itemization?

nm1010Sep 21, 201713 votes

Passive timer sucks balls later in the game

InfernapeSep 21, 201712 votes

That's because in the same time it takes you to proc your passive, an ADC can right click you and instantly kill you with item 3087 item 3031

ArakadiaSep 21, 20174 votes

I have never seen an ADC instantly kill someone via an auto with just IE and Shyv unless their stupidly fed and an ulting Vayne who Q>crits.

KrinuSep 21, 20174 votes

To be fair, I can kill a lot of people with IE and Shyvana as an ADC...

ArakadiaSep 21, 20172 votes

With one auto?

DarkSunSovereignSep 21, 20173 votes

Lvl 18 Draven with item 3031 item 3046 item 3087 item 3072 item 3006 item 3036 .

200 Ad from items+105 from levels = 305. Q damage: 50+(200 Bonus AD*105)= 260. Shiv proc: 160.

Subtotal Physical damage: 305+260+160 = 565. Subtotal Magic damage (shiv): 160. Subtotal mixed damage: 565+160 = 725

Total Physical damage with crit: 5652.50 = 1412 Total Magic damage with crit: 1602.50 = 400. Total with crit: (565+160)*2.50 = 1812.

(Let's assume he autos another Draven):

Physical damage reduced by 82 armor: 1412100/(100+82) = 775. Magic damage reduced by 38 MR: 400100/(100+38) = 290.

TL;DR: Final total amount: 1065 mixed damage. Draven base HP: 1952.

So not one auto, two autos. From range, and point and click, at capped AS (so 5 attacks in 2 seconds), all the while healing 20% off of it, all of this without taking into account runes and masteries. Seems balanced, amirite?

xJLx MCHammerSep 21, 20171 votes

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Lvl 18 Draven with .

200 Ad from items+105 from levels = 305. Q damage: 50+(200 Bonus AD*105)= 260. Shiv proc: 160.

Subtotal Physical damage: 305+260+160 = 565. Subtotal Magic damage (shiv): 160. Subtotal mixed damage: 565+160 = 725

Total Physical damage with crit: 5652.50 = 1412 Total Magic damage with crit: 1602.50 = 400. Total with crit: (565+160)*2.50 = 1812.

(Let's assume he autos another Draven):

Physical damage reduced by 82 armor: 1412100/(100+82) = 775. Magic damage reduced by 38 MR: 400100/(100+38) = 290.

TL;DR: Final total amount: 1065 mixed damage. Draven base HP: 1952.

So not one auto, two autos. From range, and point and click, at capped AS (so 5 attacks in 2 seconds), all the while healing 20% off of it, all of this without taking into account runes and masteries. Seems balanced, amirite?

Does this take into account his ratios from his abilities?

Hello I am BirdSep 21, 20172 votes

Does this take into account the second champion doing damage?

ArakadiaSep 21, 20172 votes

That's a full build burst ADC at max level with the stars aligning.

The question was if someone could one shot with just Shyv and IE.

That build also won't reach 2.5 AS and if it could not every auto attack would use an axe. So that's wrong too.

InfernapeSep 21, 20176 votes

It's because Riot olafed her and made her trash.

A LiberalSep 21, 20172 votes

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It's because Riot olafed her and made her trash.

They seriously need to revert her rework... They reverted Kogmaws and he wasn't even trashed after the rework.

KloqdqSep 21, 20173 votes

That's because he was actual cancer and he didn't need a rework to begin with.

KyojiTakajoSep 21, 20171 votes

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If this is true, it's absolutely hilarious. So, is it because of her scaling not really working with ap builds or because of lackluster ap itemization?

All of her damage is jammed into her passive which takes like 2 seconds to actually go off.

ArakadiaSep 21, 20173 votes

I believe its 1.5.

Papa AndreiSep 21, 201710 votes

LeBlanc is no no longer a burst mage assassin, she is a kite mage didn't ye know

CasterGilgameshSep 21, 20174 votes

just like Ahri

CatastropSep 21, 20178 votes

I don't particularly like LB's current state, but I highly doubt this is true. I'm going to need to see a replay OP.

DunkinNoobsSep 21, 20177 votes

AD crit Leblanc is strictly worse than AP Leblanc until 3 items at the very least and if you haven't won the game by 3 items on Leblanc, you probably lost anyway.

Ok sure but whySep 21, 20176 votes

I literally played every single champion full crit in Blood Moon, and they all worked exceptionally well

Ekko, Eve, Diana, Fizz, LeBlanc, Kennen, even Yasuo whooped some serious ass with full crit!

CheekynorthSep 21, 201710 votes

Yas is supposed to build crit...? Like, PD IE?

ValeckseraiSep 21, 20176 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wncf3JijauA

HE WAS RIGHT ALL ALONG

VallalanSep 21, 20175 votes

your point? you can kill anyone late game with multiplicative scaling items. nothing will scale harder than items that multiply their own damage off of each other. and crit chance, crit damage, attack speed, and attack damage all do this.

try killing a leblanc 1 v 1 before 3/4 items. you aren't going to.

TwinkieProSep 21, 20174 votes

I say every burst champion build AD/crit. Maybe then riot will do something to fix it.

zero356Sep 21, 20175 votes

AD AurelionSol MID BOYZ 2K17 LET'S GO

BârdSep 21, 20174 votes

L E T H A L I T Y

Azir

LESGO

StandgroundingSep 21, 20174 votes

Teemo : Let's abuse item 3147 with my invis!

YiffMeImAFurrySep 21, 20171 votes

Build AS his animation looks so silly

Pale PirateSep 21, 20174 votes

Eh, I'd love it if you were right but you're wrong. Her ridiculous synergy with gunblade means she can almost 100-0 an ADC in 1.5, and AD Leblanc let's be honest, doesn't.

LXIISep 21, 20178 votes

It's worth noting that what you call "ridiculous synergy with Gunblade" is actually ridiculous dependency on Gunblade. She absolutely needs that item to do anything, that's not synergy, it's a crutch.

Pale PirateSep 21, 20172 votes

Yes you're absolutely right. In a sense it acts as life support for her, and I'm pretty sure she will no longer be fun to play once the "synergy" is nerfed. She needs at least a lot of tweaking or another rework.