Can we please make armour feel impactful again?

YoungFarmer·May 28, 2018·65 votes·14,504 views

Its honestly feels fucking useless. Back in season 4 and 5 If I saw a full AD team comp I would lick my lips with anticipation for a win. Now I shit my fucking pants because I know Armour is just incredibly useless.

I don't think you should be able to feel an items impact after you buy it and not a single armour item in the game does that.

I see an enemy yasuo and twitch so I grab It feels useless. feels useless. Might as well stack fucking health, but then they grab and rip your HP.

Idk if anyone else feels this way but I feel tankier with Thank I do with

67 Comments

Step Sis LuxMay 28, 201838 votes

ye its funny how u can be full armor and ad champions deals so much but when u are ap u are fucked if enemy has item 1033

Sire HippingtonMay 29, 20183 votes

Depends alot on hte AP. With lux, yes, cause she actually is very CD reliant and a the difference between surviveing her combo with some hp or not is rather huge. Against the dps focused mages(you know, the shit that is popular in high elos), a simple item 1033 feels about as usefull as a item 3070 ...

TerozuMay 29, 20181 votes

Teemo >:)

LordGeovanniMay 29, 20183 votes

Magic resist feels useless too You still lose 80% of your hp from one combo with with a full ap item and other Defensive items And have to run but Mages will tell you they feel useless because they didn't one shot you from a screen away. 2 mr items and its 70% but then you still need armor items to defend versus assassins and adcs item 3068 item 3075 but you still need damage because you are a bruiser not a tank you got 1 slot other than boots.

BLIGHTBRINGERMay 28, 201823 votes

I think the way how some Tanks are better than others is because Damage Resistance is the only thing that helps now a days.

Examples: E

But I agree, honestly damage is taking over. The offensive side of the game once V8.11 goes live will pretty much crush the defensive side because not only will Top Laners deal true damage with Conqueror but now every Crit Marksman will too now.

Warlord RhinarkMay 29, 201821 votes

When DAMAGE REDUCTION is literally the only counterplay in the game, you know that DAMAGE is too damn high.

HügöMay 29, 20189 votes

And then comes true damage and your damage reduction is worthless. GG.

Fondling GemsMay 29, 20183 votes

Did someone say Pyke flat health execute?

GigglesOMay 30, 20181 votes

We wouldn’t want to actually fight him while low hp...

ThilmerMay 29, 20182 votes

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When DAMAGE REDUCTION is literally the only counterplay in the game, you know that DAMAGE is too damn high.

This.

Why am I going to buy armour when I can buy item 3047 item 3046 item 3812 and have percentual damage reduction that can't be countered? And brace yourself if Shoji Spear reaches the normal servers...

HügöMay 30, 20181 votes

Can't be countered? Suddenly new IE true damage.

Sire HippingtonMay 29, 20185 votes

and then we get truedamage from conqueror and IE, so not even %damage reduction will help all that much....

LordGeovanniMay 29, 20181 votes

Only Warwick and Galio have damage resistance as tanks (Warwick is a bruiser even though his new w and low defenses fucked that and Galio is a battle mage If he can ever get in range with his Defective Gap closing tool) before them damage resistance only existed on Annie ( Malzahar has it too but it was much later even though before Galio and Warwick) and item 3046 (but only after they increased crit chance Thus fucking anyone melee who wanted to use crit because ranged carries got crits so reliably now that you are 70% dead before you even get close to them there fore you then need more armor and due to limited slots have to then give up the damage you would have used to kill them.)

DEDManWonderLandMay 28, 201814 votes

i feel like both armor and magic resist are useless. Gotta stack like 3 MR items to even get close to Veigar Velkoz and . but it is true that armor is the most useless at building. i havent even touched item 3143 since season 6. people build % health items and it makes no difference what armor item you have.

NyarlathοtepMay 29, 20185 votes

Magic resist is actually stronger than armour since most mr items give hp, which help against the burst of a mage. And the thing about those 3 you mentioned, they are extreme cases. Veigar gains a lot of ap, vel has scaling true damage and brand has max% hp damage.

TheCodeisCupCakeMay 29, 201813 votes

Bursted too fast? Have you tried buying

MOAR DAMAGE

Kill them before they can kill you!

The meta in a nutshell*

MelledoneusMay 29, 201812 votes

It's because health values are too low for the amounts of damage they're soaking. It's best to rush HP befoe resistances these days because there's little point to building resistances without absurd amounts of HP to back it up.

That's why Sion is so strong as a tank. His W stacking grants him massive amounts of HP, making him an effective tank.

DemainaNyxMay 30, 20181 votes

I completely agree here.

I played a game as Sona support vs a Zed and Shaco, so I built a ROA so that I wouldn't just be a free kill every time they got on me. I additionally bought Tabi's, but that was all my resistances and I was able to survive both of their attempts to kill me.

Now if only there was a supportive hp item so I didn't have to waste so much gold on health just to survive. Don't know how you'd do that without others using it, but that's a different story.

Dead flag bluesMay 29, 201812 votes

item 3812 item 3053 item 3046 item 3047 item 3071 item 3748

2k18 tank build

FurriesAreHotMay 29, 20187 votes

You haven’t seen anything until you seen Mega Drain Tank rhaast. Press R: get 50% of the enemy nautalis’ hp as your own hp.

Its All SkillzzMay 28, 201811 votes

Haha i was the ezreal in that game your talking about. And it was less about you guys just building armor and more about you guys not peeling for your 9 kill vayne and 9 kill double tear ezreal. all you had to do was just peel xin and irelia and once me an vayne was free of that cancer we coulda cleaned up twitch soraka and yasuo, but you and aatrox and malphite wanted to dive the back line with no damage and expect to kill a soraka twitch yasuo with no grevious wounds. But yea i do agree armor kind needs a buff when i have gauntlet and tabi and the basically tank irelia can dive me an kill me though serpah embrace shield without landing any of her kit outside of Q ignite conquerer AAs then that is bull shit.

YoungFarmerMay 29, 20184 votes

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Haha i was the ezreal in that game your talking about. And it was less about you guys just building armor and more about you guys not peeling for your 9 kill vayne and 9 kill double tear ezreal. all you had to do was just peel xin and irelia and once me an vayne was free of that cancer we coulda cleaned up twitch soraka and yasuo, but you and aatrox and malphite wanted to dive the back line with no damage and expect to kill a soraka twitch yasuo with no grevious wounds. But yea i do agree armor kind needs a buff when i have gauntlet and tabi and the basically tank irelia can dive me an kill me though serpah embrace shield without landing any of her kit outside of Q ignite conquerer AAs then that is bull shit.

She missed her Stun on vayne and I when we bush cheesed her and she still killed us through exhaust and all my CC. shes a crazy champion.

Sex With AnnieMay 29, 20187 votes

I think its less a problem with armor not being impactful and more a problem with you wanting to be nigh unkillable with one item.

NankyokuMay 29, 20185 votes

Armor is indeed useless. But it's not about the items being weak. It's just damage is WAY too high. So high that it's pointless to build armor when you can just build some hp/damage and burst them before they burst you. A Yasuo with conqueror by mid game will do more true/magic damage from Ignite, Conqueror and his E than physical damage. Which is ridiculous. The only kind of defense that works nowadays is heavy attack speed reduction ( Malphite ), abilities like Warwick's E and Galio's W, Death's Dance and..GA which is more of a psychological boost since many enemies think it's pointless to focus you when you purchase it.

saltranMay 29, 20184 votes

Ok but in 3 days the Boards will be filled with "Rito fix this Tank meta"

OatheSwornMay 28, 20183 votes

That's because some champions are supposed to shred. Armor is plenty useful against Zed, makes any tank literally unkillable unless you are ahead by leaps and bounds.

YoungFarmerMay 28, 20186 votes

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That's because some champions are supposed to shred. Armor is plenty useful against Zed, makes any tank literally unkillable unless you are ahead by leaps and bounds.

I understand that there are champs that are supposed to shred. Armour items just don't feel like they do their intended purpose.

item 3143 item 3110 item 3075 feel usless against the champs they are supposed to counter. Their passives are fucking weak as hell.

Alot of champs seem to shred me when I have armour even when they arn't supposed to shred. Like is Irelia or Camille supposed to shred tanks?

AbyssmalHydraMay 29, 20182 votes

Camille is yeah...That was kind of her intended matchup...

remakoroMay 29, 20183 votes

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DragonSheaMay 29, 20187 votes

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No. Armor is a symbol of white privilege. Only upper class white people could afford good armor and Riot as proper leftist company determined to battle that shit at any cost. They plan to set in your mind new image of armor as something completely useless. So no one would bother even mentioning or remembering it.

Get ready to fight naked like fucking savage.

Evelynn

MetalGearTeemoMay 29, 20182 votes

if I had made this comment it would have been deleted. [slayer-jinx-wink] I know you're reading this.

remakoroMay 29, 20181 votes

Yea im pretty amazed as well. Was pretty sure i will see notification and possibly punishment in a couple of hours :D Guess mods were able to understand that im kiddin <_<

Nice nickname btw. <3

Athenes LuluMay 29, 20183 votes

me too i love ardent cancer xD!

IDEMO NA MUDAMay 29, 20183 votes

I don't agree with you on this. I find armor very impactful on the game depending on the picks. What i'm trying to say precisely is that armor is still highly valuable as a tank but with all true damage additions in the runes, items and champions, it doesn't feel right. Ryze is getting a true damage buff, Yasuo can easily outdamage any given tank ( not nasus tho, nasus can W him and he's way out of its league ) by his ult passive and conqueror. New IE will be highly valuable since it ALSO gives true damage. That being said, i just think there is too many true damage itemization, champion kit and runes in the game atm.

HügöMay 29, 20183 votes

Just wait for the reworded IE. Getting true damaged to infinity and beyond.

Wrathful ChickenMay 29, 20182 votes

I rush 500 armor on Taric Taric and it feels perfectly fine, even against mages which is terrifying.

The main reason why armor/magic resistance falls short is due to its reliance on sustain, shields, and health for it to be useful. If your champion has no impactful form of sustain and shielding, then armor/magic resistance will always be less impactful than raw health early game.

This is why the damage resistance boost on Warwick Warwick might feel more impactful than the damage resistance boost on Braum Braum, on top of the fact that it has obviously higher values. Soaking up damage is only useful if you can sustain a lot of it in the first place.

DuskDaUmbreonMay 29, 20182 votes

Because a shitton of armor does nothing if you don't pair it with health.

And health is more valuable a defense early-game anyways (unless you're top against a strictly AD/AP champion), simply because nobody has a special penetration to it then.

Randuin's and Thornmail have basically no HP between them. However, toss in a Warmog's, and you suddenly become much harder to kill.

Also, ADCs are kinda meant to kill tanks. A tank's job is to survive and lock down bursty targets (which they do very well at - even having one armor item that isn't boots will let you do that fairly well). When you're a tank, you're meant to do two things, one of which you will be better at:

Engage onto the enemy team. Disrupt them, lock them down, pull them to you, whatever it is, do it.
Protect the squishies, especially the immobile ones. Use CC, bodyblock attacks, or fucking eat the squishy, whatever it is you do, do it. You're not quite meant to protect assassins or fighters as much, given that you can't really interpose yourself between the enemy team and them when they're trying to be on top of the enemy team.

Note that neither of these are "survive 10+ seconds of 2+ DPS champions hitting you". Items like Randuin's are meant to help you survive a bit longer against DPS, but by no means is it meant to be an auto-win against them. Thornmail is designed to counteract lifesteal, so that the enemy ADC can't use you as a walking battery pack to heal damage.

If you're still having trouble, try rushing item 3068 , item 3065 , or even item 3748 , and pair that with Overgrowth. Make your second item a more armor-oriented item. Try to total at least 800 health from items before going into something like item 3110 or item 3075 (Although you should still rush a item 3076 into champions like Fiora, of course). Also, pairing a lot of AA-reduction items together is somewhat inefficient. Unless you're laning against Yasuo or Tryndamere, you don't need item 3047 and item 3143 , and you should definitely not get them all in a row. A item 3068 should usually be your first item, there.

GrReaper96May 29, 20183 votes

You do realise item 3075 gives 250 hp, item 3143 gives 400 while item 3068 gives 425.

FurriesAreHotMay 29, 20182 votes

I haven’t had any issues with armor. Assassins struggle to kill you, and fighters take a while to stack their Black cleaver.

CrestfallenNightMay 29, 20182 votes

Useless? The enemy team had a Malphite which would tank ALL OF OUR TEAM TOGETHER AND STILL KILL 3 OF US.

Lolman978May 29, 20182 votes

"You take x% reduced physical damage"

If only those numbers meant something these days

PLS GÓD NÓMay 30, 20182 votes

Maybe you missed the part where yasuo ignores 50% armor when he ults. Armor is more OP than it has been it any other season. You have so many items to choose from, its not the fact that armor is useless, its most likely the fact you have no clue how to build.

If you vs a yasuo and he has lifesteal, purchase a item 3076 sit on it then buy item 3751 or item 3082

I'm a tryndamere and the fact that tanks like Ornn Malphite Maokai Sion can build 1 defensive item and outdamage me early game when I have full fury, ignite is just plain silly.

Bruisers need to be shown love, adc's need to be nerfed early game, tanks need to be nerfed early game.

AirKingNeoMay 28, 20181 votes

can black cleaver feel impactful again first

PB4UAMEMay 29, 20181 votes

If you don't find it impactful, either you are playing seriously wrongly, or you're purchasing it on the wrong champions.

It's still a rush item/must-buy for a number of juggernauts, say Garen Darius Illaoi Urgot (the class of champions who it was designed for) and some divers. JarvanIV LeeSin

It just isn't a good rush item for say, an ADC or most assassins (though it is still great on the likes of Talon and Zed later in a build).

XonraMay 29, 20181 votes

When I can get a item 1033 on Morgana mid and feel tanky against, but can have armor on Malphite and die under my own tower, something is wrong with this equation.

Mokuto BunshiMay 30, 20181 votes

...with which champions?

MasterDCloneMay 30, 20181 votes

I honestly love the lol community because of this. They bitch and whine about the tank meta until riot changes it and then the assassin meta comes around and they bitch about that until adc meta comes around and they start hoping for tanks again because they didn't like the previous meta's. And the cycle goes round and round with this on the boards with all the mindless sheep out here upvoting it because they agree

BattalionMay 30, 20181 votes

No probably not.

SeenanMay 30, 20181 votes

Fetch Malphite. Hear them cry unless they have Conqueror. Seriously. There was 4 ADs last game, and I picked up Malphite. The only way they could ever kill me is with Darius, considering he had Conqueror, and TBC (along with his E armor pen). Otherwise, hi 200+ armor at like level 10.