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Sorry Riot, but the new jungle was a bad move

Blåbæret·Dec 17, 2016·9 votes·664 views

I know you tried to spice things up, but it didn't work out. Obviously there's a design issue when I have to skip raptors and krugs on certain champs because they are unclearable or just takes an entire health bar to actually clear. Then you have AoE junglers clearing these camps in a couple of seconds. It's so nice constantly being 1-2 levels behind the enemy jungler because you simply don't have the capabilities of both ganking and clearing those camps. Now you're even going to nerf smite which is another indirect buff to the very same already dominating junglers. The jungle is so freaking boring right now, it's the same champs every single game:

Honestly, sometimes I doubt if Riot even plays their own game. They've been on a serious shady path lately. Told us we'd get solo q and instead we get paired with bot duos every single game, autofill, making a jungle only suited for Riot's own personal favorites etc.

So, I take it you're enforcing the meta. What's next, banning every single jungler who doesn't go by your own cherry picked ones?

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Heartstrings21Dec 17, 20162 votes

I agree here. I love Jungling on Poppy. She's got to be my favorite jungle hero ever, especially with her play style. But the new jungle caters heavily to AD based jungle champions, leaving tanks/AP champions far behind in terms of efficient clearing. Take against a Yi, for example. A vast majority of the time a Yi will have half of his jungle clear by the time I (as Poppy) have my first buff and ready to move onto another camp. Which puts me even further behind, as that allows Yi to kill the other half of his jungle just as I finish my first half. Then he's moving on to my camps that I've not touched yet because he can kill so much faster. Which essentially means that he can go back, grab a few good items, and start harassing me and my lanes pretty much uncontested. The ONLY way I feel marginally successful in the jungle as Poppy is by taking points in Ferocity until Battle Trance, then placing the rest of my points in the other two trees as needed. And then in addition to that, I also have to stack a lot of movement speed increasing items just to try and keep up with a faster clearing enemy jungle.

The only thing that keeps me hopeful is the rumored tank patch that's supposedly approaching soon, which I'm really hoping Poppy will somehow get some jungle love (although I'm seriously not holding my breath).

I'm honestly glad Blizzard Entertainment lost Ghostcrawler, as that allowed them to get World of Warcraft back on its feet. But now he's over here ruining this game. sigh Can't win for losing I suppose.

Tarquin96Dec 17, 20162 votes

I feel bad for abusing freelo Hecarim sorry for the enemy team in the 6/7 games i won

Karn BishopDec 17, 20162 votes

I'd also like to add that plants in general feel like a mistake as well.

They don't fill their intended purpose at all, heck i'd argue the only one that feels even remotely interesting is the honey fruit.

King of DemonsDec 17, 20161 votes

Not clearing certain camps on certain junglers is exactly as intended..

Also farming > ganking in terms of exp 100% of the time. Ganks are a risk that can make you fall behind. If you just farm you'd always come out on top unless the jungler gets a double or triple kill.

MartensiticDec 17, 20163 votes

Not clearing certain camps on certain junglers is exactly as intended..

Which would be fine, IF the junglers who cannot clear these camps would have stronger ganks early in the game.

However, they do not.

BlåbæretDec 17, 20161 votes

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Which would be fine, IF the junglers who cannot clear these camps would have stronger ganks early in the game.

However, they do not.

Indeed.

BlåbæretDec 19, 20161 votes

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Not clearing certain camps on certain junglers is exactly as intended..

Also farming > ganking in terms of exp 100% of the time. Ganks are a risk that can make you fall behind. If you just farm you'd always come out on top unless the jungler gets a double or triple kill.

Dude, the problem is that the likes of Udyr Shyvana are impossible to keep up with. They clear faster than you which means they have more time to gank. In the end it becomes impossible to actually keep up and you fall behind. You get two choices: either you gank and get kills yet fall behind on exp, or you farm and have zero game impact just to keep up with the enemy jungler. The jng is seriously broken right now and you'll probably feel it at some point where you're just powerless with the enemy jungler having several leves on you.

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