BRUISERS IN 2K18 LUL

Sasogwa·Jan 1, 2018·45 votes·2,769 views

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AhristocatsJan 1, 201812 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2fQ4JIuOXg

NemeBroJan 1, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=I am Rubick Sama,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bMLyLGE9,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-01-01T18:00:59.117+0000)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2fQ4JIuOXg

Aatrox is not representative of bruisers as a whole, they had roughly the same gold in items with Ornn having an item dedicated for countering Aatrox's damage and one for his healing (which Aatrox is overly-reliant on). He also had sheen, a damage item. Aatrox pretty much solely had attack speed, slight AD, and lifesteal (countered by bramble). No defense at all, not even for Ornn's percent health damage. Aatrox played poorly, eating poke, missing his own poke, fighting without the use of his passive, and not using the healing on his W.

I don't really see a problem here.

GayFluffyUnicornJan 2, 20182 votes

So you mention the entire problem and then say you don't see it :thinking:

Spank the FoxJan 2, 20181 votes

So Ornn can build paltry defenses and still put out obscene damage while being untradeable but that isn’t a problem?

Pale PirateJan 2, 20181 votes

Intuition wise this looked very predictable. Clear misplay by Aatrox.

Elkington VIJan 2, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=I am Rubick Sama,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bMLyLGE9,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-01-01T18:00:59.117+0000)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2fQ4JIuOXg

To this day I will never understand why tanks needed a grievous wounds item.

Harden StepbackJan 1, 201811 votes

bruisers in 2k18 lul

ok make them op now riot

AbibyamaJan 1, 20182 votes

Inb4 Rito decreases bruiser items to the same level of ADCs items and Ardent Censer meta but for melees

SasogwaJan 1, 20181 votes

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Inb4 Rito decreases bruiser items to the same level of ADCs items and Ardent Censer meta but for melees

That'd be funny as shit, but uhm.. trinity buff = Ezreal terror BC buff = Gnar terror

HaIlMonitorJan 2, 20181 votes

BC buff helps Lucian. There is no winning as long as ADC's can build all items.

GayFluffyUnicornJan 2, 20181 votes

Then nerf them. Or even better buff BC make it 8 stacks, melee AAs apply two and ranged one, cannot be stacked with abilites any more. GG. Trinity breaks ezreal? Nerf ezreal, easy.

Troll for TrumpJan 1, 20187 votes

Top lane in 2k18.

Malicious MetalJan 1, 20186 votes

laughs in Mordekaiser

AhristocatsJan 1, 201812 votes

mordekaiser isn't a bruiser

he's an enchanter in disguise, an actual Egirl champion he can heal an ally he can shield an ally he can add an ally

talk about a bruiser

Malicious MetalJan 1, 20182 votes

It's bloody 2018! Away with those archaic class roles!

Let Mordekaiser be a good example of how he can identify as a Bruiser despite his low durability stats! Why would he need to be purely selfish and be big and burly stats wise?!

Goddamnit people, stop being so narrow minded!

OxyrottenJan 2, 20182 votes

[{quoted}](name=Malicious Metal,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bMLyLGE9,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2018-01-01T18:05:38.571+0000)

It's bloody 2018! Away with those archaic class roles!

Let Mordekaiser be a good example of how he can identify as a Bruiser despite his low durability stats! Why would he need to be purely selfish and be big and burly stats wise?!

Goddamnit people, stop being so narrow minded!

How dare they mis-class Morde!

Class rights for trans-classes!

Cis-classes are oppressing our rights!

Tails9016Jan 1, 20185 votes

he's an enchanter in disguise, an actual Egirl champion

I'm sending this to my friend who got Elementalist lux for fun on the PBE so I can get him to main Morde

Craft ZeppelinJan 2, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=I am Rubick Sama,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bMLyLGE9,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2018-01-01T18:02:26.373+0000)

mordekaiser isn't a bruiser

he's an enchanter in disguise, an actual Egirl champion he can heal an ally he can shield an ally **he can add an ally **> talk about a bruiser

So you be sayin...he can heal and shield dat added ally and shiiiet!? (Mind blown)

PennsJan 1, 20184 votes

mid lane assassins in 2k18 lul* hehe and 2k17 and 2k16 lel

AbibyamaJan 1, 201830 votes

To be fair Assasins are doing better than bruisers

AhristocatsJan 1, 201837 votes

don't bother

he's a fizz main

so when fizz is not doing fine (and he is actually) the entire assassin class is not doing fine for him

AbibyamaJan 1, 20188 votes

I mean his “Fizz Revert” spam tells me that

Yeah I don’t understand the “the Assasins are weak cuz of delay” thing when right now is pretty good time for them

Troll for TrumpJan 1, 20185 votes

The delay in combination with shields and bursts makes it a lot harder for them to actually kill things harder lategame.

A lot of this is saved because AD assassins have a crutch with duskblade, which everyone is constantly complaining about.

AD assassins in mid are doing...alright.

Zed is generally always good, and Talon is at ~50%

Jg AD assassins are doing fine too

AP assassins for the most part got better (LB and FIzz were the only ones who got their burst time delayed significantly).

Fizz does rely a lot more on R now than before, which is pretty stupid.

LB has her own problems

PoskeJan 1, 20183 votes

Idk mate i insta burst people in 0.3-0.4 seconds with LB every day

Bad LB players have problems y

HaIlMonitorJan 1, 20181 votes

Gunblade.

Troll for TrumpJan 2, 20181 votes

I don't specifically know about LB's problems and never played LB that much.

I do know that her rework was controversial, and RIot is planning to update her again as a result

Pale PirateJan 2, 20181 votes

Did you play Leblanc before her rework and if yes how much?

dunder killJan 2, 20182 votes

Why dont you just look yourself?

http://eune.op.gg/summoner/champions/userName=poske

PoskeJan 2, 20182 votes

This is not accurate representation though

I have been playing le blanc since season 1 and this account is season 3

I have consitently been top 20 LB world since season 2 And I had #1 LB world status not so long ago

Spank the FoxJan 2, 20182 votes

Do an AMA, please

Automated RivenJan 2, 20181 votes

How do you play new lb? I loved her prerework and can't stand the new one. :(

HaIlMonitorJan 1, 20181 votes

Zed is generally always bad, and Talon is at ~50%

Zed has been at around 47 to 48 for a long time. That could be argued though that he is harder to play then some of the others and also seems to fall off way harder.

The rest I agree with.

Troll for TrumpJan 2, 20181 votes

I don't think he's always bad, he's pretty solid almost all the time. Calling him bad is pretty inaccurate.

Look at his history in korea.

Z3SleeperJan 2, 20181 votes

Except it didn't just go from instant damage -> delayed damage in the Assassin update.

It went from instant damage -> delayed, buffed-to-a-metric-ton damage. That's why Assassins are still doing well.

That and these exist: item 3147 item 3142 . That Youmuu out of combat MS buff made it just as top tier as Duskblade.

Troll for TrumpJan 2, 20181 votes

It went from instant damage -> delayed, buffed-to-a-metric-ton damage. That's why Assassins are still doing well.

It's compensation. What do you want? For assassins to be gutted? If all assassins straight-out JUST had their dmg delayed, the assassin "update" would be an assassin "nerf." Which would be stupid.

Youmuus isn't remotely even close to the level of importance of duskblade.

Z3SleeperJan 2, 20181 votes

Um.. I have no problem with the current state of the game lol. I didn't say anything about them needing nerfs.

Try not to draw baseless assumptions off of the mere posting of factual statements lol.

Troll for TrumpJan 2, 20181 votes

Um.. I have no problem with the current state of the game lol. I didn't say anything about them needing nerfs.

I'm _not talking _ about the current state of the game

Z3SleeperJan 2, 20181 votes

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It's compensation. What do you want? For assassins to be gutted?

Assassins are part of the game. They relate to the state of the game. You were therefore talking about the state of the game.

I never said anything about nerfing assassins.

Was that clearer?

Troll for TrumpJan 2, 20181 votes

Assassins are part of the game. They relate to the state of the game. You were therefore talking about the state of the game.

I never said anything about nerfing assassins.

Was that clearer?

No, man, that phrase is referring to the assassin update. Sorry if that wasn't clear. You were talking about the assassin update before, so I thought it would be obvious I was referring to the update and not the current state of the game

Sire HippingtonJan 2, 20181 votes

the point is not only wether they do fine or not. I played alot fizz in the past, and i just hate playing him since the rework regardless of how powerfull he is. Though for me it's less the delayed burst but more loosing out the AA dps from his W on-hit+dot that i really enjoyed Same is with many assasins. Talon for example feels like he's reduced to a cheese earlygame which he can use to snowball out of controll with a lackluster teamfighting at best while in the past, he was one of the better scaleing champs with high teamfight aoe between W and R while haveing one of the most reliable target acceses to hit slippery priority targets.

It's not always about the raw power of a champion.

HaIlMonitorJan 1, 20181 votes

That is pretty false. "Bruisers" abuse assassins items (Riven, J4, Wukong) better and are naturally more Tanky. Both are bad, but they also have this awkward balancing where they and Assassins rotate which is better generally.

Troll for TrumpJan 2, 20182 votes

It's because

bruisers are shit
those tend to have outdated kits.

The lethality bruiser/assassins are Wuk, J4, Riven, Jayce, and Pantheon.

The bruiser builds on Wuk and Panth are just really outclassed these days, compared to both other bruisers and everyone else. That's a problem of their kit. They need to be assassins to basically even be viable. Wuk used to get Triforce Hydra and Panth was Cleaver Tank. It's their crutch. Both need updates/reworks.

J4's kit is outdated but good, and has been for a while. Compare bruiser/tank J4 to assassin J4 and you see why it's better. He is an abuser

Bruiser Riven has been bad for a pretty long time. Riven uses lethality as a crutch. As much as I hate the champ, she really only finds consistent success with lethality.

Jayce basically got buffed to the point where he no longer had a weak early phase (no tear). So now he abuses lethality.

The lethality abusing bruisers aren't actually that much tankier than assassins.

Both are bad, but they also have this awkward balancing where they and Assassins rotate which is better generally.

The bruisers aren't the main factor in the rotation.

The rotation of lethality is between assassins and ADCs.

Dani El PezgloboJan 2, 20181 votes

Fiora is on an extremly good spot right now, and she doesnt build 'asssasin' items.

Troll for TrumpJan 2, 20181 votes

But I didn't mention fiora...

Dani El PezgloboJan 3, 20181 votes

though the topic was bout bruisers , soz

Urgot x BDSMJan 2, 20182 votes

http://na.op.gg/statistics/champion/ 2 bruisers in top 5, 8 pure bruisers in top 20. Also tons of tanky champs and potential bruisers with high winrates. Assassins for example only get decent winrates at diamond+ and even there they are slightly outnumbered by bruisers

Critmaster GarenJan 2, 20182 votes

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http://na.op.gg/statistics/champion/ 2 bruisers in top 5, 8 pure bruisers in top 20. Also tons of tanky champs and potential bruisers with high winrates. Assassins for example only get decent winrates at diamond+ and even there they are slightly outnumbered by bruisers

you might want to adjust your filter. the link you posted includes all divisions.

i promise you Garen is not rank 16 winrate anymore when you remove bronze and silver. its even more skewed by the fact that what, 70% or 90% of the games happen in the low divisions?

everything below plat is irrelevant.

Urgot x BDSMJan 2, 20181 votes

1)I've also looked at diamond+ as I've written in my post and it still has tons of bruisers

everything below plat is irrelevant.

In that case I can say that the data from any server except Korean is irrelevant. People below plat also play the game, you know.

Critmaster GarenJan 2, 20183 votes

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In that case I can say that the data from any server except Korean is irrelevant. People below plat also play the game, you know.

people below plat are still learning the game. they dont play it how its supposed to be played. the amount of mistakes they make, both mechanically and strategically, heavily outweights the difference in strength of individual champions.

at least thats where riot draws the line. so yea, everything below plat is irrelevant when it comes to game balance.

and youre also only looking at winrates in a vacuum. thats the next mistake. play rate is just as important. aatrox might have a 50%+ winrate because hes garbage against 90% of the top lane roster and counters one or two champions hes almost exclusively picked into.

XeroKimoJan 2, 20181 votes

plat 2 fill main, people who are in plat are still learning the game we all suck ass, therefore people who are diamond 5 and below are still learning the game