I'm genuinely curious as to why Riot would design such a disgusting champion. There is nothing enjoyable about this champ and his very design is trollish by nature. He's just there to make the game a miserable experience. It's only my opinion that having champions like Shaco in the game serves no other purpose than creating a detrimental gaming experience for those playing with and against him. It baffles me why he's even a thing.
BobaFlautist15 votesWhat champion do you enjoy playing against, assuming the champ and the player aren't worse than you?
Fuh Queue2 votesWhen you put it like that, do you mean assuming they are better or of equal skill?
Because if the enemy is equal skill to myself, I have many champions I enjoy playing against. That said it's usually never fun playing against people that are much better than you are.
Ahristocats9 votes
you just described this champ too
Gildarzt1 votesRight now this champ is much better than shaco.
Marshbouy8 votesI'm so glad that he is rarely played. I get so much anxiety facing him and I don't have issues with anxiety most of the time. He's pretty high on my list of champions that I dread to face.
Blåbæret2 votesIndeed. I get extremely anxious when facing Shaco. It's so stressful in general.
TimX24968B6 votesevery champion has their nuances. learn them. get over them. its how they work.
Iźuku Midoriya1 votesyeah like i hate fighting anyone from 
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its not just shaco
Shadòw4 votesinb4 all Shaco mains group here to defend him
zarxus12343 votesprobably not... but shaco is by far the most fun champion i've ever played.
hhaavviikk3 votessame could be said for allot of the champions, zed with the constant mana free wave pushing, yasuo with the constant dashing, caitlyn with the traps, malzahar with the mindless pushing, nothing enjoyable to me about facing them but hey
Yalathanil2 votes
gabetheguy3 votesI like him because shaco mains are edgy kids that are usually shit at the game.
Shaco on Top4 votesI like him because shaco mains are edgy kids that are usually shit at the game.
Does the B4 39% win rate player have anything else to say about shaco mains? Im curious
gabetheguy1 votesDoes the B4 39% win rate player have anything else to say about shaco mains? Im curious
you say that like silver 5 is impressive.
gabetheguy2 votesDoes the B4 39% win rate player have anything else to say about shaco mains? Im curious
on another note, nice 44% shaco winrate. pot, meet kettle.
Ariel the Cruel3 votesI'm genuinely curious as to why Riot would design such a disgusting champion.
For the same reason they designed Vlad and Satan Teemo. Inexperience.
ShishouMatt3 votesPretty sure Shaco is one of the few 'Troll Class' champions. Their purpose is to try and Tilt you.
Raiyza3 votesHe's my #1 ban. Any decent shaco will take over the early game.
Gildarzt1 votesnot right now, shaco is not about early game ... not anymore.
Raiyza1 votesNo, he can easily control the early game. It is so easy to stealth from behind his own turret and gank a lane. His Q is a free flash with added stealth.
Plus top lane and mid lane can't keep every entry way warded. It's impossible. Vision is so limited now.
Gildarzt1 votesnot true, right now shaco needs 2 or 3 items to do damage, Q doesn't give him any damage, only give him a 400 dash with a 1,5 stealth with 16 seconds cd, right now there are a lot of jungler with stronger early gank than shaco.
people that don't play shaco always think Q is OP, i bet you to play him, you will discover his weakness and you will learn that early and shaco don't go together anymore.
Raiyza1 votesHe doesn't have to have high damage or a sucessful gank. He just has to sneak into the lane and catch the enemy off guard, which he excels at. Plus his slows are good.
Gildarzt1 voteshe sneak into the lane and then what, he doesn't have damage or cc, you are forced to put ability points on his Q to improve the gank, because Q at lv 1 sucks, sucks so hard... you sucessful to raise the enemy and then? W lv 1 and E lv1 until lv 7. Your main CC and your main ability damage stay at 1 until lv7. Most of the times enemies just run.
You said he has to sneak, tw, evelin, rammus, warwik, hecarim, vi, lee sin, elise... almost every jungle in the game has stronger gank than shaco pre6. Most of the jungle has damage or cc (top junglers has both), Shaco doesn't have anyone.
Get a good position in a gank is pretty easy with almost every champ in the game, only need to be carefull, is not the big advantage, specially when you don't brings in other thing to the gank.
Raiyza1 votesShaco sneaks past wards.
At least with other junglers except twitch and eve, you have an extra second or so to make a move because your ward spotted them. With stealth champs like Shaco, you don't have that. They just appear behind you. You don't have time to react.
Once flash is blown, Shaco can come back a minute later and sneak right back in. A good shaco will assume the same route has a control ward and just take the other route.
Gildarzt1 votesYou can see red (or white) smoke even in the war fog, his Q has 400 ud os blink (flash has 425) and a coldown of 16 seconds and 1,5 seconds invi at lv one.
Is, literally, the dash / blink ability in lol with the highest coldown in the game, and only gives you invisibility.
Most of the times you have to use your early skill points in this skill to down his cd and improve his invi duration, at an ability that don't do damage or improve his damage in any single way, in an assasin!!
Shaco's Q right now sucks, and you have to put, at least 3 points in early to have a decent (decent is not good) blink ability. This meains that until lv7 you have your boxes (main shaco's cc) and your knive (main shaco early damage) at 1. This means that your cc is about 0.5 fear (and 2 seconds to activate) and a huge damage over 50 plus 0.75 ap and 0.6 aditional ad.
So you can raise the enemy but then what, or your laner do cc or damage or you are fucked, because you don't do damage with your abilities, only have your autos (passive is about 130% of your ad, that is 30% more than a auto, and it has cd).
Really stop thinks shaco is still good, is not.
He has a decent winrate because of drakthar (i don't know if it correct spelled :P) and lethality build, that's all.
Yalathanil2 votes
HASAKI!
No champion is enjoyable to play against unless they are feeding you/your team.
gabetheguy1 votes
No champion is enjoyable to play against unless they are feeding you/your team.
I enjoy playing against yasuo because they always feed me.
Ariel the Cruel2 votesBefore or after they kill your bot lane 10 times because you pinged MIA only 15 times [each]?
gabetheguy1 votes[{quoted}](name=Ariel the Cruel,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bLTLpHJF,comment-id=000d00000000,timestamp=2017-07-16T20:30:43.215+0000)
Before or after they kill your bot lane 10 times because you pinged MIA only 15 times [each]?
the ones that feed me always go top lel
AR URF1 votes
No champion is enjoyable to play against unless they are feeding you/your team.
Someone always has to find a way to take a cheap shot at Yasuo to get up voted.
Anyway I posted a thread about this topic a while ago and got down voted, but I'll say what I said in that thread here. Basically those that play are not here to have fun. They're here to make others rage and spam ctrl 3 and ctrl 6, that's it. You get to throw boxes down in bushes, do half of someones health in damage and than laugh about it. So in short, is really just here to cause toxicity in others.
Leaf on Bush2 votesI played Shaco quite often myself but I also don't mind playing against him. I think champions that make you mad are usually those that you don't play.
Anivia is one of the very view champions I almost never played myself and I find her more annoying than Yasuo, Shaco, Riven, Darius or whatever people usually hate.
Thunderbolt199962 votesHis ult is a big guessing game.There's no skill involved in understanding who's the clone,that's why I hate him.
Jet Sett1 votesI mean he's not the worst thing to face, at least he interacts with the enemy. His kit is pretty centered on confusing you which I enjoy a lot. As opposed to champs that don't actually outplay you for ungodly amounts of damage.
MuffledGarbage1 votesTo be honest, there's a bit of an intresting tention when you don't know where Sha-
on second thought that's all junglers... hm...
uhh when he turns invisi
no, no... when he surpri- 
no... not fun... hm... maybe when he no... ult is a giant painful guessing game...
welp... slap Shaco on the VGU list...
Shaco on Top1 votesIm a shaco main, and i can understand that playing against a good shaco can be a bad experience, but right now there's nothing about shaco that makes it a worse opponent than malzahar, yasuo, fiora, draven, twitch... He cant even one-shot now and it isnt easy to play, and lets not talk about mastering him, you dont know how much time it takes... Having said that, shaco isnt that disgusting. For me, a disgusting champ is Garen, takes no skill to play and can also be so annoying...
Darkdemon6531 votesI do not, though I would enjoy fighting against him if he were buffed to a balanced state. I do not like free wins.
Aptest1 votesyes, i enjoy playing VS him.
PhoenixOfHeaven1 votesMeh, I don't have a problem with Shaco. Yeah he does a lot of damage, but he's relatively immobile. Makes it easy to land CC's on him, and he dies, really fast. When people start building him tankier, then i'll have a problem with it.
Big Lincoln1 votesI love playing against Shaco
we need more champs that mind game people
Wet Dryman1 votesWell, that would kill his uniqueness. It is the only thing that makes Shaco different than ordinary Assassin like Zed or Kha or perhaps whole champion roster.
On the main topic I too love playing against Shaco, outsmarting guy that wanted to trick me, see through his lies and deceives it's 1000 times more enjoyable than playing against Shyvana, Yi or most of the ADC and Support roster.
Escheton1 votesYes. I love that "Yus!! I got the right one" feel when you kill him, and not a clone.
Gildarzt1 votesI main Shaco since 5 years ago and I have to say right now he is worse than ever. I know that, for people of low elos play against shaco could be hard, but when you get a decent elo you see how shaco becomes useless as fuck in a lot of situations.
If you think shaco is hard, what do you think about twitch (a ranged assasin able to gank since lv 2?)
Lauchmelder1 votesYou completely missed the point.
And:
https://i.gyazo.com/5f9e0170cff837e6228cc8c55df538f0.png
Oh no, Shaco dropped to an acceptable winrate, what a disaster.
Gildarzt1 votesYeah, the problem is that only mains play shaco, shaco isn't a pick that people take to complete a team, Shaco does that the team has to adapt to him so is not a safe and normal pick.
If you have this in mind, the 50% (is lower) win rate means that those mains that play shaco for years has been seeing how their winrate go down.
Shaco is no lee sin or zac, not the same stuff.
pd: i forgot, that winrate is because lethality build is just broken as fuck, that's all, when riot nerf the lethality build shaco will down again.
AL0001 votesBe thankful that you dont want to play against pinkward.
crzymdscntst1 votesDepends on the Shaco player.
There is some definite trickery to his kit to be had... like: Run into bush with enemy chasing you, R, Q from bush, let enemy chase the clone for a second (Nevermind that you can W-Box while stealthed now.) So while you're stealthed and they chase your clone, drop a box somewhere behind them... It's just a mind-game.
Predictable is not fun to play as or against.
The enemy WILL focus on you for no apparent reason other than you're annoying and then you manipulate them using that. When done correctly, it's actually refreshing to see. When it's not... it's depressing and pretty mundane and not fun all around.
