Rylai's Buffs Saved Veigar

Squidblimp··4 votes·2,103 views

So, now almost all spells apply a 40% slow with Rylai's. This slow can be applied easily with Veigar's Q. Follow it up with your stun that is much easier to land due to the pretty heavy slow applied by Rylai's Q, and then land W.

Furthermore, Veigar can now more effectively peel people off him with his Q by kiting and slowing them.

Finally, now the only item with 120 AP is Rabadon's, right? Veigar has always been about maximizing AP, correct? Well now that Rylai's, Luden's and Zhonya's are all only 100 AP, they are now all viable choices in Veigar's build, meaning now Rylai's has no downside compared to buying the other ones, plus it gives him a nice chunk of HP too! Also, the buff to the passive on Rabadon's helps Veigar even more.


So basically, this is the build I propose that Veigar should now buy:

  1. Athene's for the CDR and mana regen. Mana regen is very important on Veigar, even if Morello has more overall AP.

  2. Sorc Boots, self explanitory.

  3. Rylai's for the slow for kiting and also for landing that stun MUCH more easily. The nice thing is that when you buy this item, you're hitting the part of the game when you've actually farmed enough AP to do enough damage with your combo to kill a squishy, so the Rylai's at this stage is essential to make that combo happen.

  4. Zhonya's if they have lots of AD or key abilities that you can stop with Zhonyas, or just for extra safety. Rabadon's if you don't need Zhonya's right now.

  5. Rabadon's or Zhonya's, whichever you didn't get on number 4. You could also get Void Staff at this stage if they're stacking MR on tanks or bruisers.

  6. Luden's for more damage if they're squishy. Void Staff if they have tanks stacking MR and you didn't get it on number 5. Guardian Angel or Banshee's Veil or something like that if you feel you need another defensive item, Zhonya's is another defensive choice if you don't have it yet.

22 Comments

Sasogwa3 votes

No void is blasphemy.

Squidblimp1 votes

Void is in the build :) Re-read.

Sinful Sorcerer2 votes

item 3116 seems like a good replacement for item 3285. item 3285 passive never really felt like a great fit for Veigar anyway, it is far more effective on more spammy DPS mages like Cassiopeia or Ryze, or longer range poke mages like Xerath. The movement speed is nice, but the item 3116 slow seems like a good alternative. Now that they both give the same AP and item 3116 slow is far stronger than before, I might start building item 3116 instead.

I wouldn't replace item 3135 with anything else, unless the enemies have next to no magic resist. The new item 3003 seems pretty amazing in terms of AP, but it still takes a while to stack and is a major setback until then. I think this is a good opportunity for us all to try out new things and see what works!

Remurin1 votes

Shouldnt Arcangel Staff also be a thing? 80 Ap + Mana Stackery is something, also Time staff thing is also great with 100 AP stacked.

Squidblimp1 votes

That would be a decent item, maybe instead of Zhonya's? I just really like Zhonya's.

Remurin1 votes

Its nice and stuff but considering the shield it has it can help more surviving instead of 2 seconds standing still. especially on veigar

Squidblimp1 votes

Yeah, so if you feel there's nothing threatening like a Vi ult or something that you need Zhonya's for, maybe go Morello and Archangel's? Or maybe sacrifice some CDR and get Boots of Ludcity. I usually run scaling CDR runes and CDR masteries, so that would be 35% with the Lucidity Boots instead of 40% with Morello or Athene's, but you'd get some extra AP and a shield and more mana. :)

Erockandroll1 votes

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Shouldnt Arcangel Staff also be a thing? 80 Ap + Mana Stackery is something, also Time staff thing is also great with 100 AP stacked.

You would still want the CDR. More Q casts allows him to Stack AP Faster.

I'm half tempted to go with a tankier, sustain build, to compensate for the removal of his insta stun. Ryal's is a good choice for the Kiting, I've even considered WotA for increased sustain once I'm able to kite.

R1101 votes

I think I will try that out sometime. I was wondering if Morello's is better than Athene's because Veigar has a build in chalice passive. I was thinking, would Morello's give enough manaregen given Veigar's passive? I like Morello's because it's cheaper while given more AP. Ofcourse Athene's is better when struggling against magic damage but let's pretend where not struggling against magic damage, would Morello's be good enough for manaregen?

Would Ludens be better as a first big item after Athene's/Morello's instead of Rylai's, then getting Rylai's after Luden? I think the 10% ms is pretty strong while adding some extra damage with the proc. Hmmm nvm, you would need to drop either Zhonya's or Void Staff or Rabadon => probably dropping Zhonya but I don't want to drop Zhonya for Luden, why no seven item slots ;_; (decisions, decisions, goddammit rito! jk)

However I think Luden might be a stronger powerspike.

Squidblimp1 votes

The thing about Chalice and Athene's is that they allow you to constantly farm AP with your Q, go OOM, but then very quickly regain mana, enough mana to farm the next Q by the time the cooldown is off. I believe Veigar's passive actually boosts the passive on Chalice and Athene's too. Basically, the 20 AP you gain with Morello's isn't worth the 50+ AP you'll gain just by having the mana to be able to farm your Q, rather than being OOM when the minions you're farming are about to die, forcing you to auto-attack instead and miss Q farm, if that makes sense?

Also, here's the problem with new Veigar: his stun is hard to land. This powerspike you speak of doesn't exist because it's SO hard to land your stun unless somebody else stuns your opponent first, and you follow up. Therefore, the marginal damage on Luden's passive is wasted because you can't actually land your full combo to burst someone.

Luden's procs can also accidentally steal low HP minions from you too, getting you gold but denying you Q farm. That's why I'd only build it as 6th item, for added burst if you want to just walk up to a carry, press ult and 100-0 them with nothing but that ult.

But yeah, the 10% MS is nice. I guess you could get the Luden's instead of Zhonya's if you really feel that the extra Luden's passive is more worth it than the Zhonya's active. If their team was lacking AD or was kiteable and you felt they had no hard engage or spells you need to Zhonya's like a Vi ult, then by all means, get Luden's :)

LaowPing1 votes

Sounds like you should make a mobafire guide.

Squidblimp1 votes

Maybe! Gonna try out the Archangel's idea first though to see if it's any good.

Paress1 votes

item 3003 for mana and huge AP gain (at lvl 18 and when tear is stacked, the item provides about 150 AP). item 3116 for HP and slows item 3089 do i need to explain ? item 3135 penetration ! Or maybe item 3151 ?

I will test this.

However, I don't like playing Veigar without having 40% CDR, because it takes too much time to farm with your Q. item 3158 I'd take this for sure, but i'd have only 20% CDR.

Squidblimp1 votes

I like to run scaling CDR runes for 15%, and then 5% in masteries. Combined with Athene's, that's 40%. :)

Paress1 votes

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I like to run scaling CDR runes for 15%, and then 5% in masteries. Combined with Athene's, that's 20%. :)

But you sacrify too much of your early game which is kind of weak for him.

In my opinion CDR scaling on him is not good, I mean, it's worth I'd say at lvl 11-18

Squidblimp1 votes

Replacing his sorcs with lucidity might work. I'll try it.

HeraldOne1 votes

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Squidblimp1 votes

Generally, those items aren't built on Veigar though. You could though, I guess.

HeraldOne1 votes

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Squidblimp1 votes

You have to not have another important item to do this. That might be Athene's, or Zhonya's, or Void Staff. I see your point though. I might try this.

Z Statistic1 votes

His passive doesn't scale with missing mana. It's relative. You will gain less mp5 with 1500/2000 mana than 500/1000.

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