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Illaoi's position can be seen in the Fog of War.

Squidblimp·12/7/2015, 8:04:27 AM·47 votes·4,043 views

Illaoi's tentacles have 2 states: active, and dormant. Active tentacles stand tall, have 2 hitpoints, can be used to hit enemies with, and only stay active when Illaoi is nearby. Dormant tentacles shrivel up, have 1 hit point, and turn into this state when Illaoi leaves the area. The issue with this is that the enemy team can see the current state of tentacles even in the Fog of War. They can even see when tentacles spawn in the Fog of War. This is kind of a big oversight by Riot, but I have some solutions.

I propose that when Illaoi is NOT visible, all tentacles should all appear to look dormant to Illaoi's enemies, until they either: (1) swing at you, or (2) you auto attack them, revealing if they are active or dormant, or (3) Illaoi becomes visible, revealing all tentacle states globally at that moment. Just to clarify, Illaoi's tentacles would look exactly the same to her own team as they do now, so it wouldn't give away where the enemy team's wards were.

Additionally, if a tentacle has NOT swung at anyone in its lifetime and has also NOT been seen by the enemy team at any point with actual vision then it should NOT be visible to the enemy team until it does. Think Rek'Sai tunnels for this one. You can't see them when they spawn, but as soon as you do see them, they stay visible. (But the state of the tentacles would remain a mystery as soon as you couldn't see them anymore.)

Finally, the ways that tentacles spawn. There is Illaoi's passive spawning them, and then there are vessels that spawn them. I think that when Illaoi's passive spawns a tentacle, it should NOT be visible until it is seen or it swings at somebody, because it gives away her position. However, when a vessel spawns a tentacle, I am totally fine with the tentacle being instantly visible, as long as after they swing at you, they appear to look dormant again if Illaoi is not visible, even if Illaoi is nearby. Just to clarify again, Illaoi's tentacles would look exactly the same to her own team as they do now, so it wouldn't give away where the enemy team's wards were.

56 Comments

TSP ECLIPSE12/7/2015, 8:55:58 AM14 votes

creates counterplay for her. Intended

Calabok12/7/2015, 8:23:37 AM14 votes

working as intended.

ZephyrDrake12/7/2015, 2:00:13 PM12 votes

and make her just that much more frustrating to deal with and allow her to deal easy damage on you? no thanks

S H A Y C 012/7/2015, 3:29:51 PM10 votes

This isnt the only mechanic in the game that intelligent players can take advantage of. Reksai's tunnels for instance..you can infer a players position by the disappearance of one your tunnels coupled with the actual vision you do have of the enemy. heimerdingers turrets also act identically, you can see the health regen buff that heim gives off and if they are still active heim is near by..so if we make illaoi changes, we make many many more...or we play around it like we have for several seasons.

HardcoreNooBi12/7/2015, 1:56:59 PM10 votes

OP didn't feel she was OP enough....

DeathBurst12/7/2015, 2:53:46 PM6 votes

Even if this was really a problem (I don't think it is, but I won't fight about it), I think you should know the "true state" of tentacles you have vision of. Hide the state of Tentacles in the FoW, so that you can't know where Illaoi is from the other side of the map, maybe ok. But if she's near-by and you can see the Tentacles, you should see that the Tentacles are active, even if you cannot see her directly.

Hyrum Graff12/7/2015, 4:22:58 PM5 votes

I agree that tentacles could use some QoL. I disagree with this exact implementation.

I think the most accurate comparison in this instance is to Heimerdinger's turrets, and that tentacles should recieve the exact same treatment as turrets, as follows:

  1. If a tentacle has NOT swung at anyone in its lifetime and has also NOT been seen by the enemy team at any point with actual vision then it should NOT be visible to the enemy team until it does, a-la rek'sai.
  2. All tentacles in fog of war should appear to look dormant to Illaoi's enemies.
  3. Tentacles not in fog of war should show their state.
Rebonack12/7/2015, 3:55:47 PM3 votes

God forbid she have a downside.

This is no worse than Wolfy's vision buff letting you know he's nearby.

xReadyPlayerOnex12/8/2015, 2:27:51 AM1 votes

Actually given her insanely overpowered lane presence and control, I think this is one of her weak points that should remain. The sacrifice you make for playing her is you give away your jg position to savvy players. From an RP stance it makes sense too. You're gonna notice a GIANT tentacle swinging about above the treetops.