This is due to the fact that solo queue games are 95% decided by which team has the worst player. There's nothing an individual can do to have a positive impact the outcome of the game.
This might be okay if we had some guarantee that most players with similar MMR range were equally skilled, but at the moment, the state of balance has thrown skill levels all over the board.
This should have been looked at for season 5.
Joe Dredd12 votesWhat pros
Yenn1 votesObviously yenn otherwise he wouldn't be crying. He sucks btw
Yeah, I'm terrible. I've only been as high as 80 LP into D1. http://i.imgur.com/v2Mx83t.jpg http://i.imgur.com/mKXa4Ky.jpg
I know of at least three. I've played with one a few times in the past month, and it always performs extremely well, but the outcome still depends solely on the weakest player. I've had a thread deleted for naming one of them, though.
Lytebulb1 votesYeah, I'm terrible. I've only been as high as 80 LP into D1. http://i.imgur.com/v2Mx83t.jpg http://i.imgur.com/mKXa4Ky.jpg
I know of at least three. I've played with one a few times in the past month, and it always performs extremely well, but the outcome still depends solely on the weakest player. I've had a thread deleted for naming one of them, though.
then you realize that diamond is full of baddies...
Joe Dredd1 votesyenn is really good tho
Stupafly10 votesThis is due to the fact that solo queue games are 95% decided by which team has the worst player. There's nothing an individual can do to impact the outcome of the game.
Um. in your first two sentences you are contradicting yourself. "games are decided by one player. games cannot be decided by one player"
Kowe The Ewok5 votesActually a bad player can decide the outcome of a battle often rather than a good player at that level.
A bad player with poor decision making can throw the whole game and even if another player in his team is superior to the opponents. That might not always be true for lower elos, but at a certain elo people learn to survive their lane and play passive, thus even if you are vastly better than your opponent that doesn't mean that you get fed.
In the meantime the baddie in your team will give it away in no time. "But there are only good players at platin & diamond." False, there are enough people who got there simply by abusing what's broken atm. Like Warwick used to be or Zed is atm (He hit the 66,44 banrate in Korea... Fix should come soon)
Take away these OP champs and you'll suddenly have a guy who looses his team each agme he gets in.
Those are the guys you see ruining the games of your favorite streamers.
slipstreem6 votesThat's me! I was something like 77-47 on Rammus last season and 45-65 on all other champs. I made it to Diamond V purely because of Rammus being broken and if he was banned or I didn't get to jungle him, I basically would hand the other team a free win because I suck at League of Legends
I have a smurf that I try not to jungle on that I have played a little bit recently. I am something like 6 W - 10 L on it against silver V-III level players... I have had most damage to champions in like 11 of those games(even when I support and we lost) and had most gold on my team in nearly every single game and I still have no idea how to actually carry my team to victory after I stomp lane... If I get any role but jungle on my main, It just gets ugly because I don't understand positioning or when to engage/what my limits are on champs other than Rammus but my MMR is so high that everyone else does know how to play their champs(usually). Every once in a while I crush a diamond lee sin(with a lot of lee sin games) while I am on poppy or something goofy like that, but those are more the exception than the rule.
Kowe The Ewok1 votesNice to see somebody admit that :) It requires self awerenes, you sir have my respect.
Sadly I am still getting downvoted because I dared to name one of the current abzsuable candidates, regardless wether anything said is the truth.
But I'm used to that... I can remember the same happeneing to my posts 2 years ago against the holy savior Lee Sin - until even the (ab)users ultimate got tired of him as well.
slipstreem1 voteshttp://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-history/NA/473137?matchType=2
I mean seriously though.. Look at some of the damages to champs in those losses.. even the 4/5/5 corki game I did almost as much damage as the person on our team who ended up with 16 kills... the lone exception being the 0/3/1 poppy game where my internet crapped out and I couldn't reconnect... not mad about that at all... how the hell do you carry in roles other than jungle...
OJ1915 votesedit: fucking laggy forums doubleposted somehow
This is due to the fact that solo queue games are 95% decided by which team has the worst player. There's nothing an individual can do to have a positive impact the outcome of the game.
This might be okay if we had some guarantee that most players with similar MMR range were equally skilled, but at the moment, the state of balance has thrown skill levels all over the board.
This should have been looked at for season 5.
tbh I realised this a while back, now I'm just maining AP Ezreal because it's fun even when losing because of derptacular teams.
Um. in your first two sentences you are contradicting yourself. "games are decided by one player. games cannot be decided by one player"
1 player gets fed
-> still has to fight 5 enemy team members who may or may not also be fed
1 player feeds over and over and over
-> entire enemy team is now fed
ergo, 1 feeder is equivalent to 5 good enemy team members whereas 1 good player is only equivalent to... 1 good player.
Sammystorm1 votes1 player gets fed
-> still has to fight 5 enemy team members who may or may not also be fed
1 player feeds over and over and over
-> entire enemy team is now fed
ergo, 1 feeder is equivalent to 5 good enemy team members whereas 1 good player is only equivalent to... 1 good player.
This literally does not make sense logically. If you get fed it means the other team has a feeder or feeder's. So you claim it applies to the enemy but not your team. Also statistacally speacking if you are not the feeder you have a lower chance of getting a feeder on your team. a 4/10 chance compared to their 5/10 chance.
Rock Rockburgh1 votesI don't think it does-- think about it like this, if one person is getting kills, what are the odds that they're all on the same champ? Let's say... Ezreal is fed. He's 20/1/2. Pretty good chance that he hasn't killed the same person 20 times. Therefore, he's held everyone back a little bit, but not necessarily shut anyone down completely.
Now we've got Lux, who's 2/20/1. Pretty good chance she hasn't been killed by the same person 20 times. Since she's so easily killed at this point, she's free food for the enemy team, who can essentially farm her for the rest of the game, negating what Ez did to hold them back. He still comes out slightly ahead power-wise, but one good pick on him probably means at least one or two objectives. Since the enemy probably doesn't have one champ who's that fed, their death timers will be lower, and thus less significant.
Sammystorm1 votessee the thing is. On one team you got a champ that has a few kills and snowballed. On the other team you have a champ that snowballs and has a few kills. This happens consistently. It is what that champ does with the lead that wins or loses games. It isn't what the feeder does that decides outcomes. If the game goes long enough because a champion can't force down toweres the gold difference on the feeder eventually becomes irrelavant because everyone will be full build.the winning team can either decide to close out a game or they can make mistakes or drag the game out. their are so many factors that it is hard to say in most games who won the game. It is easy to tell who contributed the most but not who won it and when.
Ultimately the winning team/player has more options to choose from and therefor more control in decisions and eventually in the outcome.
Toothless Lion2 voteslmao Yenn stuck in low diamond.
Penguin Eclipse2 votesI think you are ignoring the fact that some pros deserve to be no higher than Diamond 5. Being on a pro 5v5 team doesn't automatically mean they play Solo Q (which is a completely different ball game) on a pro level.
Tiphess1 votes[{quoted}](name=Penguin Eclipse,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bGVEkEnz,comment-id=000b,timestamp=2014-12-31T19:39:03.653+0000)
I think you are ignoring the fact that some pros deserve to be no higher than Diamond 5. Being on a pro 5v5 team doesn't automatically mean they play Solo Q (which is a completely different ball game) on a pro level.
^this
I do tournament with my friends to win free RP (made by the CLC, Canadian League Community, for those who are interested) and the monday and friday it is premade team.
And I feel like we are all so much better when we play in team, the synergy and our teamfight always make us win, even if we lose lane or struggle to control objective.
Yakas1 votes^this
I do tournament with my friends to win free RP (made by the CLC, Canadian League Community, for those who are interested) and the monday and friday it is premade team.
And I feel like we are all so much better when we play in team, the synergy and our teamfight always make us win, even if we lose lane or struggle to control objective.
If you do bad in solo but teams you are great, then you are great in solo unless your the type of person that gets carried. Being good on teams shows that you are capable of working with a team and you know your place. This might not be the same for the solo because others don't know there place anD it might seem like your fault but there was nothing you could do about it in the first place.
So many people gave this mentality that if you lose a game, it's your fault but it's simply not true. It's a team game and if you play as a team, you win as a team.
Aurelius Maximus1 votesnot anymore than normal
Tiphess1 votesDunno if it's badluck or only because I belong here, but since i've made it to diamond 5 I have a lot of difficulty to win a few games in a row, it's always 1 win - 1 lose or 1 win - 2 lose
Perhaps it's because i can't play my main due to gamebreaking bug right now but idk
Sammystorm1 votesThis happens every pre-season. Not every pro is as good as the next at adapting to the sweeping changes.
Yenn3 votesThis happens every pre-season. Not every pro is as good as the next at adapting to the sweeping changes.
It has nothing to do with the pre-season and everything to do with the current state of balance making it 100% impossible to positively impact the outcome of the game.
Sammystorm1 votesThe current state of balance directly correlates to the pre-season. Of course people are all over the board in skill ranges right now. That diamond player that is losing games for people might not be able to play enough to properly adapt to changes or they might just be bad at adapting or maybe they win the game for you because their champ got buffed super hard. Their is so much in flux right now that people have to re-learn item paths, jungle routes, lane match ups, gank routes, etc. I mean the pre-season has every year thrown the game off balance and has always caused problems for people that are slow at adapting.
WooBeeWoo1 votesThey completely reversed their season 4 goal of carrying out of the jungle.... Top lane is basically for tower gold and hopefully a meat shield late game (unless they cheese split with trynd and don't get punished for it).... mid lane is assassin or bust. Pretty much its insanely hard to carry from a position thats not bot lane. Honestly all the other roles revolve around helping the adc get fed and there is nothing anyone can do. Supp babysits adc, jung ganks bot and manages drag, mid roams bot as assassin to help bot, top takes tp for helping out bot or for drag.... LOL balance is shitty right now.
PonderousSealion1 votesThis is straight fucking bullshit. Just because you saw some smurfing pro lose two games in a row in diamond 5 does not mean they are "stuck". Not to mention their mmr was probably so sky high that they were probably in the D2 elo bracket, invalidating what you just said. Pros don't get stuck in D5. They can lose games because not every game is winnable, but about 90 percent of them are.
Rogue Revenant1 votesSo you're saying that a team is only as strong as it's weakest link... well shit. WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT THAT?! It's not like this has been part of team based events since the dawn of fucking time. Surely that's never been a factor in team based games until the creation of League of Legends!
#GetYourShitTogetherRiot
Sara Leah1 votes[{quoted}](name=Rogue Revenant,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bGVEkEnz,comment-id=000a,timestamp=2014-12-31T19:14:31.717+0000)
So you're saying that a team is only as strong as it's weakest link... well shit. WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT THAT?! It's not like this has been part of team based events since the dawn of fucking time. Surely that's never been a factor in team based games until the creation of League of Legends!
#GetYourShitTogetherRiot
this made me smile :)
Magma Lux Mid1 votesTrick Spectates (Gubbly) Playing Godyr - How he s…: http://youtu.be/uP85TfUo1YI
No one can have a positive impact on the game? Watch that vid and then tell me that.
Also, what pro mains are are stuck in Diamond 5? I can think of Geranimo, but he has been tilting and is not a pro.
Hugh Drectum1 votesAny player who mas plays a champion has the potential to achieve diamond. When ( NOT IF) riot fks up an update and "RE BALANCES "...srry i lold when i wrote that...
A persons champion could then become the META. If that person showed even a 51% win ratio with that specific champion, they are going to increase on it. Then theoretical they will achieve " HIGH ELO ".
I noticed this last season. If a person could support their way into DIAMOND 9/10 of these people couldn't play other roles. They didn't need to. Supports where consistently in meta last season, and allowed many un balanced players to advance.
You need to slow down and read what u say, your almost full retard with how u worded your post.
A point to add, i thought riot fixed this issue:
W 10lp W 10lp W 11lp W 10lp L -30lp W 10lp
Yet i still see diamonds getting LP like this. RIOT has many things to fix, and i agree the HIGH mmr system is just as broke as the rest.
Vertanium1 votes[{quoted}](name=oops I OVULATED,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bGVEkEnz,comment-id=000d,timestamp=2014-12-31T19:57:18.371+0000)
- You need to slow down and read what u say, your almost full retard with how u worded your post.
Grammar, Spelling? (not a Nazi, just think that you need to be able to do those things when calling someone stupid, retard, etcetera.)
Hugh Drectum1 votesGrammar, Spelling? (not a Nazi, just think that you need to be able to do those things when calling someone stupid, retard, etcetera.)
Ummm,, i clearly had grammatical errors as I cntinue to abbreviate what i said. I appreciate the troll and failed attempt at that.
I also complimented and backed his post, its unfortunate you got caught up in the moment and disregarded the rest of the post.
Better luck next time... "
DWT123451 votesah, diamond and above. You know, 1% of the playerbase.
Spacesuit Spiff1 votesGuys, this isn't about balance or preseason or any of that, it's just because this game has a really high skillfloor compared to others. I think we can agree that "competent" describes what we see in high gold/plat and above, and the reason that's such a small portion of the playerbase is that there's so, so much a player needs to learn to be competent at the game. The difference between a new player and a gold is orders of magnitude greater than a diamond and a gold, so when you're playing at really high elo, you'll never see someone who's that much better than the rest of the team, but you can easily see someone who's worse. Throw in the fact that it's not that hard to not feed even if you lose lane, and it's pretty obvious that a Challenger can't get as fed off a Plat as a Plat can get fed off a Silver.
I've actually seen this play out in Norms, with a Master tier mid laner who dominates and zones his opponent, picks up 2 kills during laning phase, and comes out of lane with a lead that could decide an LCS game 50 times over. Meanwhile our silver Riven is 0/14 to the plat Gangplank, guess who won that.
Reducing kill gold on feeders was a good step, but if Riot's going to make it easier to win by your skill than your opponent's lack of it, the game basically had to be either easier for weak players, or more forgiving for players who lose lane. One ham-handed way they can implement this is to give turrets a buff that reduces the damage they take when there's only one nearby enemy champion, and a purchasable item that disables this (for splitpushers). That way if a solo lane gets out of control, they can't kill the tower by themselves very quickly, so the logical move for them would be to gank another lane and help push that tower (or get jungler help, but if you want your team to really snowball off your lead the jungler should be pressuring somewhere else). Meanwhile the player who lost lane can stay in lane, maybe buy the item that lets them splitpush and maybe a Zz'Rot Portal, so that they can try to get caught up while their opponent pushes their advantage. A player able to do that would be a lot less heavy than a top laner trying and failing to not feed as their enemy pushes to the inhib.
KirbyCake1 votesyou got me with high skill floor TROLOLOLOL
10/10 great bait
ImHerVoice1 votesfeeding adc vs fed adc Lose every game 5/0 graves out of lanephase 2k mmr vs 2.5k mmr because match making lol
Magma Lux Mid1 votesOnce came back as Ashe 0/5 vs a Draven that got to like 13/0 before he was shut down. We ended up winning.
ImHerVoice1 votesmust've been low elo because if any 2.4k+ adc gets fed the games over. might as well sit in spawn.
Magma Lux Mid1 votesOk, then I've seen Geranimo go 5/0 laning phase then lose hard.
ImHerVoice1 votesyep w/e you say buddy. Also idk who that is Nor do i give a fuck. I'm talking about intelligent players Not weed smoking teenagers who play 200 games or less a year.
Magma Lux Mid1 votesRight, cause a challenger level AD main isn't intelligent and is a weed smoking teenager who only plays 200 games a year.
ImHerVoice1 votesyour problem is you give a shit about challengers as if they;re better than anyone else. Lol Stop using someone thats higher elo than you to justify any opinion you have. have your own opinion. Like a human being. Not a slave/drone. WIerdo.
Magma Lux Mid1 votesLast comment then I'm ignoring you. You're opinion was fed ADC = easy win. I stated that it's not always true. Then you said high elo fed ADC = win. I gave an example that that's not always true either.
Also: "Stop using someone that's higher elo to justify an opinion you have. Have your own opinion."
Yenn1 votesCurrently 1-9, with 7/9 losses having trolls, and having performed well in every single loss. There's absolutely nothing I can do to have any impact.
GundayMonday1 votesNeed to plan for it and play around the badness. We all get bad players at all levels. I use my bad teammates as bait/meatshields for the enemy team to blow cooldowns on and then go in with my competent teammates to clean up. Definitely feel for you though, sucks having people that don't know how to play on your team (you have my upvote).
Yenn1 votesSo, I just got a team with three players I had played with repeatedly at Diamond I in S3 and S4. They're all Diamond V right now.
futuresight231 votesSays there are pros that are stuck at Diamond V, proceeds to not say who any of them are.
