Can we add more counterplay to late game Twisted Fate this season?

Yenn·Nov 6, 2016·3 votes·1,538 views

His kit and ult are all pretty fine, but the problem is how there's little to no counter play to him walking up and gold carding you when he has Lichbane + Luden's.

This is pretty cancerous for 9/10 mid lane champions, because he has a huge advantage in terms of avoiding skill shots, and the fact that his combo is unavoidable. Even bad TF players will shit on a good mid playing most other champions once mid-late game hits, because of this.

tl;dr gold card with 450+ MS needs to be nerfed.

24 Comments

MarshbouyNov 6, 20166 votes

pretty much all mid lane mages have some sort of CC spell>instagib combo. Dunno why TF is different.

LoLKiruNov 6, 20162 votes

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pretty much all mid lane mages have some sort of CC spell>instagib combo. Dunno why TF is different.

His is point and click, but even so; if he's walking into auto range against you (unless you're caught out; but then thats you misplaying), something has ALREADY gone horribly wrong with your team.

Most mages can 100 to 0 you from far beyond TF's auto range if they can land their key skills.

MarshbouyNov 6, 20161 votes

if he's walking into auto range against you...something has ALREADY gone horribly wrong with your team

this.

YennNov 7, 20161 votes

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His is point and click, but even so; if he's walking into auto range against you (unless you're caught out; but then thats you misplaying), something has ALREADY gone horribly wrong with your team.

Most mages can 100 to 0 you from far beyond TF's auto range if they can land their key skills.

Annie is the only champion who's in a similar situation. Landing your abilities is less reliant on you being good, and more reliant on Twisted Fate being bad/having poor reaction time.

Because he's moving at 450+ MS, it's very easy for him to side step skill shots as long as he has okay (not even good) reactions.

Akali is SO HOTNov 7, 20165 votes

Give Kennen more counterplay first

LostFr0stNov 7, 20161 votes

+1 Riot: "OK, lets add fresh blood mastery :^) "

MarshbouyNov 7, 20161 votes

TBH it's the same counterplay, try and stay out of his range.

oh oh god what's that in the distance? no!!!!! item 3152

oSEXYPLATYPUSoNov 6, 20161 votes

sure nerf his late game ... buff his horrible bad early game to make up for it

MarshbouyNov 6, 20162 votes

http://champion.gg/champion/TwistedFate

actually his early game/mid game is his best.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoNov 6, 20161 votes

he is typically punished early game cuz he his a farm type of champ til lvl 6 and has to get his item 3100

MarshbouyNov 6, 20162 votes

That's like 90% of the roster. Check the statistics.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoNov 6, 20161 votes

he is similar to GP in a way where he gets to out gold other champs so he can get bigger ticket items faster which is part of his power curve... his base kit compared to other champs he typically gets pushed around in mid

MarshbouyNov 7, 20162 votes

Okay. Lemme break down what you said.

horrible bad early game

he is 51% winrate at 20 min and his winrate only goes up from there until about 25-30 min where it starts to drop off. That's not

horrible bad early game

oSEXYPLATYPUSoNov 7, 20162 votes

there are so many champs that punish him early and he is strong due to the passive gold income he gets to out item people...

just as in your other post about cs and gold , that makes up for alot of weakness

MarshbouyNov 7, 20162 votes

Are you saying he is strong or weak early? Because he is definitely good early but mid game focused.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoNov 7, 20161 votes

he is best mid game and typicall falls of later game outside of his ult

early game pre ult he is weak as hell

MarshbouyNov 7, 20161 votes

There are tons of champions who are weak pre 6. There are tons of champions with level 6 powerspikes. 7 minutes into the game is not "early game", it's about 1/3 of "early game".

oSEXYPLATYPUSoNov 7, 20161 votes

typical game is 30 mins long... 7 mins is 1/4 of that and that typically early game consist of pre 10 min game time... aka laning phase... he is stronger after laning phase

MarshbouyNov 7, 20161 votes

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3b/Paris_Tuileries_Garden_Facepalm_statue.jpg/300px-Paris_Tuileries_Garden_Facepalm_statue.jpg

just because a game only lasts 30 minutes does not mean that 10 minutes is early game. Early game is more like 20-25 minutes, mid game being 25-40, and late being 40-60 depending on how quickly people finish their builds.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoNov 7, 20161 votes

if the average game is 30 mins long then you dont get to 40-60 mins do you? and if you get pass 35mins ( late game) nearly all 10 players are full build and lvl 18 making all gold advantages null and void

MarshbouyNov 7, 20161 votes

if the average game is 30 mins long then you dont get to 40-60 mins do you?

that just means that "late game" doesn't happen as often as usual. That does not make 10 minutes into the game early game.

pass 35mins

this changes based on ELO, skill levels, and how the game plays out. If the average cs is 200 and the score is 40-40 at 35 min everyone is going to be full build. Acting like people always get full build at 35 min is just stupid.