The thing that has bothered me since S6 started

Jefftiffy··2 votes·525 views

Is that mana problems have never been addressed for casting based laners. In fact they have even kind of pidgeon holed mid laners even further into mana issues.

It is the sole reason people like Zed and Shen (pre-rework) have been so dominant. Unless you stack and get item 1056 item 1056, you have to wait out your mana issues until post-6 when often its too late. It's the reason Ziggs went from top tier in S3-4 to one of the worst picks currently. It also caused people like Brand who are more focused on innate mana regen over mana pool to explode in strength. Almost all of the champs that are really good right now have: low costs, no mana, good sustain, or stupid amounts of damage building it or not.

I mean how do you kill Zed the proper way (poke him down) if you can't cast enough spells because you are mana gated using a champ meant to poke. Ziggs used to be one of the top Zed counters. Cassiopeia used to be pretty high up on that list too.

Sure now we have item 2033, but I feel like it is meant for people who already have the advantage in lane. And with the buffs to jungle items, item 2032 often feels pretty lack luster.

Let's just look at item 3040. It went from item 3070 + item 1026 to item 3070 + item 1058. So now you have to wait longer for your AP when you really need that mana to poke. Sure, its a shorter wait to finish the item, but the AP takes longer to get to by about 3 minion waves. 90s is a long time to delay a power spike compared to about 50s.

The biggest thing I don't understand, is that Riot said they are reworking mages, but they technically just did that around summer time. They redid AP itemization to make it smoother and cleaner as well as better overall, but instead we got a bunch of items (that for the most part are better) but screwed over spam casters even harder than they had been when mana regen was converted from a flat value to a % and mana regen values were tweaked.

Note: I do not hate Zed, I just feel like his counter play has slowly been removed from the game (I have been around since S3 where he was kind of an eh pick). He is strong due to everything else around him being drastically changed, and Riot seems to kind of ignore him because of their reworks.

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Best KhaZix Void1 votes

Ziggs isn't garbage because of mana issues, ziggs is garbage because every single mage does his job better while also being able to do other things better. Viktor is a shining example of this.

also why the fuck are you picking ziggs into zed? that's asking to lose, sometimes picks are countered by other picks, just because you can't auto win playing farm simulator 2016 doesn't mean mages are getting shafted, it means you have a victim complex.

Jefftiffy1 votes

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Ziggs isn't garbage because of mana issues, ziggs is garbage because every single mage does his job better while also being able to do other things better. Viktor is a shining example of this.

also why the fuck are you picking ziggs into zed? that's asking to lose, sometimes picks are countered by other picks, just because you can't auto win playing farm simulator 2016 doesn't mean mages are getting shafted, it means you have a victim complex.

You do realize I never said this season. He was one of the best counter picks to Zed in S4 and S3 because not only could he wave clear better, but he could poke better. Calm the fuck down a take a chill pill. Also please read and comprehend stuff before you comment about me being stupid. Ziggs is garbage because of mana issues period. His kit is meant to wave clear and siege and Riot deemed it toxic and pumped his mana costs up to make him "balanced" yet he has seen very little play since they did it combined with the mana regen changes.

BIFF1 votes

People still use mana champs?

magic pole1 votes

2x item 1056 is usually pretty good if you can last hit

mana regen mastery is also helpful if you really need it, but the 5% dmg is kind of a lot to give up

item 3027 is also a powerful item

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