Why Leblanc's low winrate doesn't matter

freepointzs··12 votes·1,968 views

Let's start off with the obvious here. Leblanc is easily the most contentious and controversial champion in the game. Her mix of strong burst and mobility make her one of the most obnoxious champions in this game to face. Now anytime someone makes a thread about leblanc there is a legion of people who bring up her low winrate to argue that she is balanced, or in some hilarious cases, in need of buffs. Now I am going to tell you why her winrate doesn't matter in relation to her balance.

First of all Riot has been explicate in saying that a champions win rate means very little when it comes to their nerfs/buffs unless they are an extreme outlier (like 60% win rate zyra on release). Riot has their own internal data they use to help them make decisions on balance. Furthermore if winrates were the end all to be all that some Leblanc mains make it out to be, than champions like heimerdinger, Draven, Swain, and malzahar would be nerfed because they have high win rates (ignoring the context of low pick rates indicating only mains of those champions play them).

Secondly Leblanc is pretty close to pick/ban status in most regions of the LCS/OGN/LCK. So why is Leblanc unable to carry games in solo que but such a contested pick in pro play? The answer is actually quite simple. Leblanc is a champion who excells at making picks with her high mobility and burst. She is ale to either delete a high priority target or force them to B with her burst. In pro play teams are able to take advantage of this situation by taking objectives or forcing 4v5 fights when they have the numbers advantage. The coordination teams have allow them to exploit the window of opportunity that Leblanc gives them with her burst combo. In solo que however, you will not see this type of teamplay. When Leblanc deletes a carry in solo que you don't see Leblanc's team instantly press an objective. Rather you often times see them just waffle mindlessly in mid lane clearing waves.

The meta in solo que and pro play are vastly different things. Remember the classic Bronzodia of ammumu/malphite/shen/blitzcrank/cho gath. They were basically insta bans in the lower levels of play for a long period of time while not even being viable in pro play. reason being that in solo que hard engages are OP because team fighting is basically the only win condition teams know in solo que. So a champion like Leblanc who excels at picks and skirmishes but cannot teamfight is not very good in solo que. Whereas pro teams know how to play around the long cooldowns of bronzodia's ults and engages.

Finally the low winrate doesn't matter because ultimately the majority of the playbase hates Leblanc because of how unfun she is to face. There is no champion in this game who is close to as reviled as Leblanc is. Leblanc is not the first nor probably the last champion to get nerfed due to being just unfun to face. Look at Yorick who is never allowed to be on the free week roster let alone competitively viable because of how much of a pain it is to face him.

TL;DR Leblanc's low winrate doesn't absolve her from nerfs. She got nerfed due to being dominant in pro play and completely unfun to face. Furthermore her winrate is more a product of solo que incompetence and disorganization than actual champion balance.

11 Comments

Abyssphere4 votes

I don't see your point. She already got nerfed pretty hard a few days ago, are you advocating for more nerfs? Because I don't see any threads saying "Revert LB's nerfs, her winrate was already low".

You seem to be about two weeks too late on the "Winrates mean nothing, nerf LB anyway" bandwagon.

Rico Nasty6 votes

The nerfs didn't fix her core problem: Her stupid burst and immunity to bad situations. Honestly Riot, just give her Ult a mana cost. It doesn't even have to be high. She just needs something to gate her from W --> W --> Ulting out of every single situation imaginable.

Abyssphere1 votes

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The nerfs didn't fix her core problem: Her stupid burst and immunity to bad situations. Honestly Riot, just give her Ult a mana cost. It doesn't even have to be high. She just needs something to gate her from W --> W --> Ulting out of every single situation imaginable.

Except your "core problems" with LeBlanc are literally everything in her kit. If you weren't complaining about her burst or her safety you would be complaining about the fact that responding to her combo was essentially impossible prior to the speed reduction on her W, or you'd be complaining about the E hitbox, or the fact that she has a utility move in her kit at all as an assassin.

LeBlanc doesn't do many things and as a result she has very few core strengths. Those strengths are a fast and reliable burst combo (nerfed in most recent patch), high damage (you want this nerfed) and safety via mobility (you want this nerfed). Do tell - what strength are you OK with her having? Because right now threads like these are extremely reminiscent of the Elise threads that existed just before Riot gave her that 41% winrate she's been sporting for so long.

LeBlanc's winrate in ranked hit 44% after this patch. Is she a champ who can be strong with a poor (read: 46-48%) winrate? Yes. Is she a bullshit champ at times? Absolutely. But that doesn't mean you just nerf every single strength she has so that nothing about her kit irritates you anymore. Riot tried that with Elise and it led to her becoming the game's worst champion because she literally did nothing well anymore.

If they made her safety worse and nerfed her burst significantly, what about her would you actually buff? Can you actually think of anything? Because the only other thing she has in her kit is her E and there's only so much you can buff a single-target snare before you look at the other abilities in the kit and given everything else in her kit is either the burst you hate or the mobility you hate... good luck buffing them.

BeatzBoyFTW2 votes

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I don't see your point. She already got nerfed pretty hard a few days ago, are you advocating for more nerfs?

"Slower cast speed on her W" is just a slap on the wrist, what's "hard" about that?

#She got her ratios nerfed few patches ago.

Because this damn itemitem 3285 compensates a lot.

I Main Swain1 votes

correct me if I'm wrong, but im pretty sure that her ratio nerfs didn't even get up to taking 0.1 off her scalings.

Abyssphere1 votes

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"Slower cast speed on her W" is just a slap on the wrist, what's "hard" about that?

#She got her ratios nerfed few patches ago.

Because this damn itemitem 3285 compensates a lot.

Her winrate fell 3% because of the speed on her W and reduced with on her E. That's not a slap on the wrist, it's just not a complete gutting. If falling to a 45% win rate is a slap on the wrist to you then I dread to see where you want her to be after a "proper" nerf.

Freljordan1 votes

Personally I'm all for any leblanc nerf anytime. in all seriousness though another nerf would be too much. I just wish she could get a rework.

1000angrybees2 votes

I find her revolting to play against. I havent despised a champ more than when Fizz was constantly in mid lane or Zed before his R nerf.

injourn1 votes

I always thought it was funny when people say that "This champion Isn't overpowered, you can't just look at their high winrate" ( In which I agree with) but then they say "This champion is not strong, they have a low winrate" Which is stupid

Lajneen1 votes

''IT'S AN ASSASSIN SO THE WINRATE DOESN'T MATTER UNLESS IT'S OVER 50% HUREHUDERPDERP''

Uninstall.

BastionKross1 votes

There is no champion in this game who is close to as reviled as Leblanc is.

Teemo "Hello my friend. My name is Teemo, I don't believe we've met. Just recently, it came to pass that I was so hated, I got my own spotlight in the news section specifically dedicated to interviewing Rioters as to how they could have made the mistake of creating me. They have also officially acknowledged that players hate me so much that I have a second "global taunt" hidden passive that makes enemy champions more likely to target me.

If you wish to contact me further, I suggest sacrificing a goat or a virgin. Or a virgin goat."

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