AD Support Item

MrEnder·Sep 8, 2016·2 votes·2,884 views

There is a tank support item a AP support item a cool down reduction support item but we have no AD support item...

What if I wanted to go bruiser thresh? Support Ashe? Support Xin? support Rengar? Support Jax? AD support Alister? and many more

ya sure none of those are meta at the moment but many of those have been even found in pro play... Yet even though we know its fully possible to have AD supports we completely ignore them item wise which then makes them lack in lane due to a simple difference in an item.

Example gives AD and some health. Passive every time you place a ward you get gold. The active effect could be simple like everyone gets bonus attack speed when active or something (assuming they are within range).

Just give an AD item to open up more options. If you don't like AD sups dont play them fine I get that BUT at least give the option!

17 Comments

ItsOrvalSep 8, 20162 votes

Id like to see ad support items. Ive done support Urgot, Jayce, AD Kayle, Nocturne, Sion and Xin, and they work great. But you cant really go full support items because everything is either AP or Tanky.

ReikkenSep 8, 20161 votes

we have no AD support champions. Riot doesn't care

MrEnderSep 8, 20161 votes

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we have no AD support champions. Riot doesn't care

Xin was used even in LCS as a support they buy dorans blade on him however due to lack of item.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoSep 8, 20161 votes

when was this?

MrEnderSep 8, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=b6LcEPwm,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2016-09-08T16:17:44.805+0000)

when was this?

I looked on youtube for a video quick couldn't find one but it was either last season or the season before... I BELIEVE it was TSM but I might be wrong on that.

ItsOrvalSep 8, 20161 votes

A lot of AD champs can be used as a support.

Urgot ult = guarantee kill unless you have a noob adc. Nocturne E = 1.25 seconds fear, while doing insane damage yourself. R = Great ganking potential to win other lanes. Jayce Q = Slows enemies. E = Knocks enemy far back. E = Speed boost. R = Reduces armor with first AA Sion R = Knock up. E = Stun. XinZhao W (i think) = knocks up enemies. R = moves enemies away from you, like a Janna ult. Kled R = Obvious. Q = Latches them to him.

NaeniaSep 8, 20161 votes

Supp Ashe is actually pretty fun but I think the reason why Riot hasn't made and AD supp items is because there aren't any actual AD supp champs (roles that Riot has specifically assigned to them).

RevaliSep 8, 20161 votes

the closest to ad supps there are, are probably the bodyguards poppy & Volibear.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoSep 8, 20161 votes

if you wanna play a melee ad as a support just use item 3302 so you can proc the gold share and provide some kind of sustain in lane. if you wanna play a ranged ad support go item 3301 where you get gold per creep killed and hp per creep killed and the mana regen /cd to spam your abilities. trying to take a champ that isnt ideally designed as a support, lack of utility, cc, heals, shields, ect and play them as support is sub optimal.

but if you heart is set on Ashe support go item 3301 into item 3069 with item 2045 and maybe item 3508 item 3190 item 3085 item 1001

item 3069 item 2045 item 3508 item 3190 item 3085 item 1001

MrEnderSep 8, 20161 votes

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if you wanna play a melee ad as a support just use so you can proc the gold share and provide some kind of sustain in lane. if you wanna play a ranged ad support go where you get gold per creep killed and hp per creep killed and the mana regen /cd to spam your abilities. trying to take a champ that isnt ideally designed as a support, lack of utility, cc, heals, shields, ect and play them as support is sub optimal.

but if you heart is set on support go into with and maybe

Could I do that YES... BUT for example Thresh would be in my opinion FAR better with an AD item for poking with his E's passive early game than the relic shield which he can't even truly proc due to his range...

Its simply the lack of options... sometimes an AD sup item would just be better. Could you use relic shield instead of course you could but doesn't mean its going to be better than if we had an AD sup item.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoSep 8, 20161 votes

that is why item 3069 is ideal for Thresh other wise you have to time the proc of item 3302 with the passive damage on his E.

alot of rune set up for thresh is running ad marks. if you want an AD THRESH support go item 3069 item 2045 or item 2302

with item 3142 item 3050 item 3190 item 3022 item 1001

so full build item 2302 item 3022 item 3142 item 3190 item 3050 with what ever item 1001

MrEnderSep 8, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=b6LcEPwm,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2016-09-08T16:24:20.430+0000)

if you wanna play a melee ad as a support just use so you can proc the gold share and provide some kind of sustain in lane. if you wanna play a ranged ad support go where you get gold per creep killed and hp per creep killed and the mana regen /cd to spam your abilities. trying to take a champ that isnt ideally designed as a support, lack of utility, cc, heals, shields, ect and play them as support is sub optimal.

but if you heart is set on support go into with and maybe

I was more so thinking item 3812 (for CDR damage and damage mitigation) item 3006 or item 3111 item 3153 (for AS and Active slow) item 3071 (for CDR and health) item 3156 (for MR and Arp) item 3053 (for survivability) (might change out one item for sunfire cape)

oSEXYPLATYPUSoSep 8, 20161 votes

then you arent a support your playing carry, you have no items that would be supporting team. no ss, no gold income item anything to help your team other then damage. basically you are trying to ad carry with out being the focus of attention aka mage supports like Lux Velkoz

at least with my build i showed you have gold income, armor, aoe movement speed to disengage or engage with, wards, hp, you have an ad item that has crit and cdr/mana regen you have locket for aoe aura's mr, hp regen and hp and you have hurricane to provide aoe damage and slows based on your kit as Ashe

Mysticman89Sep 8, 20161 votes

The passive wouldn't be good as you'd have people spamming wards at fountain every back once they got sightstone and/or would pay way too little per ward in early game and/or have too long a cd to be on par with the other support items.

Most champions these days (including "AD" ones) have some ap scalings in their kit somewhere, so the spelltheif line is usually a good option for pokey AD's, and then they can try to build AD beyond that. CDR is good on almost everyone except those who rely almost exclusively on AA's so the coin line is a reasonable option for many AD 'supports' too. AD bruiser sorts like having health (you even suggested the ad support item have health!), so the relic line isn't useless either.

The thing is AD scaling champions are some of the most gold reliant instead of level reliant, so they're almost certainly going to fall behind on a supports budget even if there was an AD support item tailored to them. If there was an AD support item that provided comparable gold to the adc (his/her)self, then the ADC would be taking it (and indeed, probably most champs would, as getting gold comparable to a lanes worth of cs without needing to cs is super OP). If for some reason you want to be a relatively useless mini-adc, then you can be with the current item pool, but it's important to avoid 'noob trap' items that would tempt newer/lower elo players into trying it. It can be fun for experienced people to screw around with, particularly when they're confident they'll snowball, but being a gold starved adc is pretty much objectively worse than alternatives.

If the goal as an 'ad support' is actually to all in and snowball off kill gold, then you'd want to start with dorans blade or a long sword anyway, since an AD sup item would almost certainly give less ad, and you'd want to maximise ad for the all in. If you're simply someone who has AD scalings being chosen for the utility (knock ups, etc), then there is a very strong chance you're better off being built tank, since the utility itself doesn't scale with AD in the majority of cases (it's a similar reason to why even most 'ap' supports typically shouldn't build AP, as utility items like locket tend to be better. Some AP supports do have their utility scale with AP to be fair though).

MrEnderSep 8, 20161 votes

The passive was just an example.

MrEnderSep 8, 20161 votes

There is more than one way to "support" a team you can either use defense or go with offense is the best defense it all depends on what the team needs and the strategy.

Sniper DaveJan 14, 20181 votes

Why not make item 3092 and item 2301 Adaptive for AD and AP like how our new runes do automatically? I used it on support Ashe and it worked well despite it being AP, since you'll be poking the enemy team using her auto attacks and Frost Shot to slow them for your partner to pick them off the mana regen is extremely helpful. I did it with a Tristana ADC and despite me dying a few times in lane she wound up going 7-0 against an Amumu Ezreal combo in the first 10 minutes of the game. We wound up losing the game though because the MasterYi and Yasuo int'd the entire game but for the first half we dominated where we were. And I honestly think the items on the right heroes would work tremendously in favour of shaking up a stalling meta and open up some more unique champion combinations in games now that we're nearly at 200 champions