Shaco Nerfs To Harshe at all Points of Gameplay (With Math Proof)

MrEnder·10/30/2016, 2:21:24 AM·22 votes·2,757 views

Here is some information on Shaco's passive and Q to show how much of a nerf the new deceive and passive is. The rest of his skills except his ult (changes to his ult are cool but almost useless) and some bonus health to his boxes were also nerfed but the nerfs were obvious.

Shaco struggles very hard late game and Riot nerfed his late game. Shaco is very strong early game and they massively nerfed his early game. Shaco depended on his early game to get fed early game so he could be useful late game. Now Shaco can't get fed as easily early game so its a double nerf to his late game.

These changes are going to make shaco become a useless champion right now he is only used by a select few hard core fans. Now he won't be used by anyone. He will become like Eve who even the rework creator admits the Eve rework was a mistake on how it was done. This will be the same.

Passive Old: 20% Bonus damage from Behind

Passive New: 120-145 Mini Crit (Normal Crit is 200%) from behind once every 3 seconds. Scales with CDR.

Deceive Q Old:

  • Cost: 90 / 80 / 70 / 60 / 50
  • Cooldown: 11 Seconds
  • Duration: 3.5 Seconds
  • Crit Damage: 140 / 160 / 180 / 200 / 220% (Normal Crit is 200%)

Deceive Q New:

  • Cost: 60 at all Ranks (buff)
  • Cooldown: 14 Seconds (nerf)
    • Cooldown Passive: Attacking during or shortly after invisibility will reduce Deceive's CD by 2.5 seconds (nerf)
  • Duration 1.5 / 2.25 / 3 / 3.75 / 4.5 (early massive nerf - late mini buff)
  • Damage: (Crit Damage removed) 20 / 35 / 50 / 65 / 80 (+100% total AD)(+50% AP)

(runes or items not included for any of this)

Old Decieve use to do 79.24 damage at level 1 + 14.448 damage on a backstab so 93.688 total.

New Decieve does 77.6 damage at level 1 + 15.848 once every 3 seconds on a backstab so 95.088 total.

At level 1 Shaco will attack 3 times in 3 seconds and 5 times in 6 seconds.

(with all backstabs) Old damage at 3 seconds: 281.064 New Damage at 3 seconds: 267.776

Old Damage at 6 seconds: 468.44 New Damage at 6 seconds: 422.967

Now lets look at level 18

Old Decieve used to do 257.4 damage + 51.48 damage on a backstab so 308.88 total.

New Decieve does 197 damage + 78.8 once every 3 seconds on a backstab so 275.8 total.

So his Damage is getting nerfed at all levels with his passive and Q change.

79 Comments

ff4sk10/30/2016, 9:04:23 AM5 votes

I'd rather they just hold off on him until his actual rework, this minor rework is honestly nothing but a nerf to an already under picked jungler who is only really good in the hands of someone who's got at least 300+ games on him.

MrEnder10/30/2016, 6:22:25 PM3 votes

Riot I hope you are seeing this everyone is supporting this. People thought Shaco was good maybe needing a BUFF. But you nerf him. Look at the overwhelming amount of votes to fix this!

Primaquarius10/30/2016, 11:04:25 PM3 votes

Passive has a cooldown Rank 1 Q Stealth is 1.5s Q in general now deals bonus FLAT damage W lifespan scales with AP why? R Clone death spawns micro boxes that do nothing

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Automated Riven10/30/2016, 3:31:33 AM2 votes

only looking at one skill on a champion when the entire kit is retuned and then calling it a nerf is pretty stupid imo. yes they did nerf his early game but he will still be able to perform will. Especially with the buffs to the reliability on his boxes. also your ignoring the fact that his backstab passive scales on cdr meaning that he can have it every other auto with 45% cdr which is still a damage buff. (instead of 480% on 4 autos he instead gets 490%) so I am seeing a damage buff on specific builds anyway.

Talisid10/30/2016, 6:30:47 AM2 votes

A Rioter has already come out and said that if his numbers are too weak he'll be getting buffs. They just don't want to do too many numbers adjustments before he's on the live servers because PBE performance isn't a good indicator of balance.

The Yetii Rider10/30/2016, 3:29:06 PM2 votes

Who cares if it's a nerf at all points in the game?

He isn't revealed by pinks anymore and he has one of the longest Invisibilities in the game. That's plenty of power.

Besides they said Shaco needs a full VGU. They need to gimp his early game for now, they'll come back to him eventually.