Why are tanks allowed to 1shot people if they build no damage items?

fuffychan··5 votes·3,621 views

It sure is fun getting 100-0d with no counter play by a Zac or a Maokai with 4000 hp and 200 armor and mr and 0 AP.

Meanwhile if they literally stood still doing nothing it would take at least 10 seconds for 1 person to kill them.

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Dynikus15 votes

I'm not sure you know what "1 shotting" means.

Spicy Rice2 votes

I mean, zacs do "one shot" adcs in the way that he kills them if he lands a full combo

BeatzBoyFTW2 votes

That I noticed, which is why I only posted Maokai.

fuffychan2 votes

So you agree that tanks 1shot people

LOL

AlienPrimate4 votes

Then the adc builds item 3036 item 3153 item 3072 item 3814 and can now facetank the tanks without taking any damage. Of coarse the guy who builds straight offense will get killed quickly by a tank. As soon as they build some lifesteal and MR the tank can't do anything to them though.

fuffychan1 votes

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Of coarse the guy who builds straight offense will get killed quickly by a tank.

Tanks shouldnt do damage thats the whole f---ing point of my post

AlienPrimate3 votes

And my whole point (notice no profanity needed to make a point) is that someone who is building straight damage items, AKA an ADC, shouldn't be able to take any damage. Tanks don't really do that much damage. They only do damage to people who have no health, no MR, and no defensive mechanics built into their kit. Expecting a tank to not do any damage at all is just ridiculous.

FUFFYCHAN's new tank champion concept: Superminion with 0 damaging abilities, 0.3 attack speed, 60 AD, and 6000 health.

fuffychan1 votes

Go play Dota. There are tanks in there that are OP that deal 0 damage.

And obviously I dont expect tanks to do ZERO damage but tanks should not be able to OHKO people no matter who they are.

AlienPrimate5 votes

I think you are exaggerating quite a bit on this one shotting business. The only way a tank should ever one shot anyone when building full tank is if they are super fed against someone who is way behind so they are something like 6 levels ahead.

0 AP Zac's full combo does:

230 + 100 + 280 + 280 + 8% max HP = 890 + 8% max HP

Even if you are a 0 defense ADC with 50 MR and 1800 HP, his combo will do a grand total of 690 damage to you which is only 38% of your health. Even including all hits from his ult the damage would be 1310 + 8% which would still only be 54% of your health.

This tells me that you are either lying about the one shot or lying about the full tank build.

"Go play Dota."

Ralanr1 votes

So tanks shouldn't be able to solo lane or jungle?

BeatzBoyFTW1 votes

You posted only Zac & Maokai, and all I did is picked latter cz he doesn't. Try reading your own thread once in a while.

Zac has rare chance of one-shotting most squishy carries due to his %HP damage, but he just mostly deals more damage compared to other tanks.

RookPusher1 votes

TIL: A full combo = 1 shot.

Embertine2 votes

That's not a one-shot. That's a single combo.

A one shot would be from full health to zero with one attack or ability.

Slythion4 votes

Tell me, what exact ability is any tank "1-shotting" you with

you can use literally any ability from any tank (given they built full tank items) in the game...go ahead let me know :p

LordGeovanni3 votes

your counter play is that fucking range tanks have to get close before they can do any damage at all not to mention tanks dont do much damage in the first place less if you have any defenses.

VladCuzBad3 votes

Because tanks would be USELESS! When you are team fighting, who is the prime target to focus? THATS RIGHT! THE CARRY! Who does your team USUALLY focus? THATS RIGHT! THE TANK! Do you know why? Not because they are stupid piles of , well sometimes that's why lol but usually its because if they are not positioned correctly, the only way they will survive is if they kill the tank before the tank kills them. Now if tanks did basically no damage, there would be no reason whatsoever to target them. If they did 0 damage, the only way for ANY tank to be useful would to either have so much cc to reliably block off the enemy team with multiple dashes, teleports, and spell shields from your carry, OR to have a mega buffed knights vow on every tank to mitigate the damage being pumped out by assassins onto your carry, making the carry in itself basically a tank.

Honestly, its kind of dumb, I'm not gunna lie. It sometimes (all the time) allows tanks to either abuse their kit in dumb ways cough (look at this things --> Sion <-- ad ratio on his q for a huge mind blow) cough or just go off their role as a tank while still building tank and carry a game. This is mostly a problem in the trash elo me and most of the league community resides in as me and others don't know how to position for a team fight for sh. Oh and if tanks did no damage no one would play them. That's my 2 cents.

AleksaTeemo1 votes

If tanks would be useless without dmg,tell me why were they played 3-5 years ago?

Taliyah Rocks2 votes

Full build Zac with a Liandry can certainly 1v1 almost any squishy targets. One-shot? no. But why the hell were you caught alone when you knew they had someone who could jump on you from the fog of war.

Embertine2 votes

It is literally impossible for any champion in the game to one shot any other champion while having no damage items in their inventory. (With the exception of a extremely fed Veigar.) Maybe you should have thought about that some more before posting.

AlienPrimate1 votes

Galio item 3111 item 3065 item 3102 item 3190 item 3512 item 3026 + W + mr runes + 5% + 10% + 27

524 bonus MR + 84 base = 608 MR = 304 AP

His full combo would do 1923 damage which could possibly one shot someone if they are way behind and Galio is super fed.

Embertine1 votes

That is a full combo not a one shot. A one shot is a single attack or ability that reduces the enemy's health from full to zero, not a chain of attacks or abilities.

AlienPrimate1 votes

Generally when people say they got oneshot they mean they died within about 1/2 of a second due to someone's full combo.

Veigar Q,W,R Lux Q,E,R Zed R, E, Q Etc.

There are only a few champions who can actually one shot someone the way you are talking about and most of them are super fed auto attackers like Draven, Tryndamere, or Jhin.

TheLastShadow451 votes

I've seen a Caitlyn ult one shot a Lucian . It just makes you go "wtf just happened".

Truli911 votes

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That is a full combo not a one shot. A one shot is a single attack or ability that reduces the enemy's health from full to zero, not a chain of attacks or abilities.

you mean malphite's ult? yeah that can one shot. he build tanks and can oneshot. what is the fk advantage to play adc so you have to kit and position if a tank does the same damage as you but doesnt die. adc need armor buff.

TheLastShadow451 votes

Videos, or it didn't happen.

Tanks can't one shot people if they have no damage built since their base damage on abilities isn't high enough for that.

higura1 votes

Zac with 0 ap, lvl 18.

Q: 230

W: 8% of tagets max hp, + 100

E: 280

R: 280 on first bounce then + 140 for the 3 bounce after as it loses 50 % after first hit = a total of 700.

even without mr are none of these abilitys gonna one shot anyone.

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