Seriously We need to change Anivia's E interaction with R

Lithium Rosa·Jan 27, 2016·11 votes·1,155 views

I'm fine if I get killed by failing to dodge her stun, that's ok, that's my own misplay. But being able to burst half of my hp without aiming any skillshot is absolutely dumb. You need to change her E to something like 1.5 damage with R while the interaction with Q remains (or you can buff that idc) Otherwise this http://imgur.com/btqiC2O is a lie.

It's really annoying when you dodged literaly every, single, Q from the enemy Anivia during the entire game and still get destroyed

17 Comments

alfavhunterJan 27, 20166 votes

Anivia is fine

She has to get relatively close to land E,

And the nerf you are asking for already exsists

The time frame to E is lower on R than it is Q because of the chilled duration, making it so you can run from E to escape the chilled effect of R to negate a lot of damage

30-40% of her damage (Q) is easily dodged skill shot E when a target is chilled is 50% of her damage R is the last 10% (unless you just sit in it for it to become more than 10%)

Hyrum GraffJan 27, 20161 votes

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Anivia is fine

She has to get relatively close to land E,

And the nerf you are asking for already exsists

The time frame to E is lower on R than it is Q because of the chilled duration, making it so you can run from E to escape the chilled effect of R to negate a lot of damage

30-40% of her damage (Q) is easily dodged skill shot E when a target is chilled is 50% of her damage R is the last 10% (unless you just sit in it for it to become more than 10%)

As a former anivia main, her laning pattern for poking people down is E -> R, not R -> E. You cast her ult while her E is in mid-air, making it impossible to miss the bonus damage. You can also pull off the combo with slightly less mana if your R would run you oom before you could toggle it off.

alfavhunterJan 27, 20164 votes

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As a former anivia main, her laning pattern for poking people down is E -> R, not R -> E. You cast her ult while her E is in mid-air, making it impossible to miss the bonus damage. You can also pull off the combo with slightly less mana if your R would run you oom before you could toggle it off.

I used to play anivia a lot as well, most other mids out range her or have other ways to deal with it

LB for example can outmaneuver you

Zed can poke from greater range

Yas has a shield, mobility and a wall

Fizz has troll pole

And others either out range her our outburst her with CC to disrupt her combo

An adc in lane will likely get recked if they do t get ahead early or outrage her

Talon can burst her into an egg to get ahead early on

She isn't unstoppable and gets strong damage late game because a lot of her damage is in her E, which is single target and low range, so it being strong isn't unreasonable

Hyrum GraffJan 27, 20161 votes

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I used to play anivia a lot as well, most other mids out range her or have other ways to deal with it

LB for example can outmaneuver you

Zed can poke from greater range

Yas has a shield, mobility and a wall

Fizz has troll pole

And others either out range her our outburst her with CC to disrupt her combo

An adc in lane will likely get recked if they do t get ahead early or outrage her

Talon can burst her into an egg to get ahead early on

She isn't unstoppable and gets strong damage late game because a lot of her damage is in her E, which is single target and low range, so it being strong isn't unreasonable

Her E-R pattern is a little bit BS because the counterplay is "be fizz or stay away" -- particularly against melee in top lane.

But she's also extremely slow and squishy, which are appropriate weaknesses for her. I don't think she's overpowered or unhealthy at the moment.

macromiteJan 27, 20165 votes

that's because you didn't respect her field of influence. anivia doesn't have a big one, and if your not in her ult the frost doesn't apply for super long either. anivia is also really squish, and uses mana very quickly, play something to either outrange her or something that kills her multiple times in lane and you should do fine.

ProfirixJan 27, 20161 votes

Pretty much this. They even recently reduced the cast range on it. If you are a melee, wait until she wastes her stun then go in. You get hit by one burst but if you play smart you should be able to stay out of her ultimate circle and do damage. The cooldowns on her abilities that amplify E damage are long enough to give you a window to defeat her. She has very strong counters.

M0b1usJan 27, 20164 votes

Fun fact, the last time Anivia's damage was directly changed was when NASUS was released. Let that sink in for a minute. If it was truly an issue, don't you think it would have been dealt with by now?

Now, here is the thing about "difficulty" rating. By your logic, all difficulty should be based on the absolute EASIEST thing to do on a champion. If that was to be done, then ALL champions would be rated as stupidly easy. The difficulty bar more or less represents the effort it takes to become fully proficient with a given champion.

Now, if you are complaining about her E damage, then let me give you the exact numbers. Assuming max rank, her E deals 175 + 50% AP, this doubles on a target with the "chilled" debuff. Even if she uses her ult + E, the damage from that is actually not that impressive compared to other 2 spell combos. Example, a Leblanc Q+W will deal more damage than Anivia ult+E unless you stand in the ult for an extended period of time.

Anivia's E trades strong stand alone strength for better synergy with her Q and ult. Leblanc Q, Akali Q, Zed ult, Yas ult, Syndra E and ult, and Ahri E are all examples of spells that alone are pretty lacking. However they become much stronger in usage with other spells.

If you think Anivia's most difficult aspect is using E with ult, then that shows exactly how little you know of her.

Lithium RosaJan 27, 20161 votes

the last time Anivia's damage was directly changed

It's indirectly buffed by thunderlord and ROA buff

M0b1usJan 27, 20162 votes

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It's indirectly buffed by thunderlord and ROA buff

So was EVERYONE who uses RoA or thunderlord... which right now, just about everyone except for a few supports and top laners use thunderlord.

Very Epic GuyJan 27, 20161 votes

I'd still say Leblanc is far worse in terms of that. Failed to dash to marked target? Just ult and pop it with the duplicate.

Come to think of it, she's essentially a far more mobile Anivia with more damage... Huh.

Lithium RosaJan 27, 20163 votes

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I'd still say is far worse in terms of that. Failed to dash to marked target? Just ult and pop it with the duplicate.

Come to think of it, she's essentially a far more mobile Anivia with more damage... Huh.

She's easier to~~ kill~~ not really, but easier to burst down at least. Also brings less utility to team. What's more, LB requires quick reaction and accurate aiming. Talk about that, yeah fuck Anivia is supposed to be a utility mage while dealing the same burst as assassin withou event requiring skillshot. When it comes to champions' capability there surely are more powerful champions than Anivia, but the problem here is that Anivia is not having the skill cap she should. A LB who cannot do a full combo within 2 seconds(that's pretty slow already) is trash, while Anivia can miss every.single.Q and still bursting people.

Very Epic GuyJan 27, 20162 votes

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She's easier to~~ kill~~ not really, but easier to burst down at least. Also brings less utility to team. What's more, LB requires quick reaction and accurate aiming. Talk about that, yeah fuck Anivia is supposed to be a utility mage while dealing the same burst as assassin withou event requiring skillshot. When it comes to champions' capability there surely are more powerful champions than Anivia, but the problem here is that Anivia is not having the skill cap she should. A LB who cannot do a full combo within 2 seconds(that's pretty slow already) is trash, while Anivia can miss every.single.Q and still bursting people.

I mean, It's kind of evened out by Anivia being the least mobile and having the lowest health of any champ in the game. She has utility that will require a degree of skill, but she can also do good damage. I feel like she can't really compare to a lot of champs currently simply because of her lack of mobility, but that's why she's useful in the long run.

I don't mean any disrespect by the way, I'm just kind of pissy about having to fight a LeBlanc as Viktor in my recent game [zombie-brand-facepalm]

Lithium RosaJan 27, 20161 votes

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I mean, It's kind of evened out by Anivia being the least mobile and having the lowest health of any champ in the game. She has utility that will require a degree of skill, but she can also do good damage. I feel like she can't really compare to a lot of champs currently simply because of her lack of mobility, but that's why she's useful in the long run.

I don't mean any disrespect by the way, I'm just kind of pissy about having to fight a LeBlanc as Viktor in my recent game [zombie-brand-facepalm]

I hate Leblanc as much as you do, I just hate Anivia deeper

Very Epic GuyJan 27, 20161 votes

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I hate Leblanc as much as you do, I just hate Anivia deeper

The worst part was her saying "JUKED" every time she blinked back behind us...

GigahappytownJan 27, 20161 votes

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I mean, It's kind of evened out by Anivia being the least mobile and having the lowest health of any champ in the game. She has utility that will require a degree of skill, but she can also do good damage. I feel like she can't really compare to a lot of champs currently simply because of her lack of mobility, but that's why she's useful in the long run.

I don't mean any disrespect by the way, I'm just kind of pissy about having to fight a LeBlanc as Viktor in my recent game [zombie-brand-facepalm]

immobility is not a real weakness as it is hilariously easy to counteract

See brand veigar viktor darius morde garen lux

all immobile champs but all of them were or are currently very strong or broken

anivia needs mini rework on e to have more counterplay but thats about it

macromiteJan 27, 20163 votes

I feel like your salty and bad. anivia is fine, you just don't understand how to deal with her. its not hard either, just kill her in lane, she's about as squishy as a melee minion early, without passive, and her passive removes armor. she also doesn't have a whole bunch of range, you probably just got wrecked because you didn't understand her kit very well.

CatastropJan 27, 20161 votes

She's getting to AA Range to deal that damage, if you're not taking advantage of that, you really can't complain. Seriously, get a gank and at most get her passive. She loses all aggression because she basically a Caster Minion with more health without it.