Why Do You Ban Zed?

Meep Man··5 votes·1,578 views

Honest question here.

38 Comments

Very Hard Engage11 votes

so i gain access to a much much wider pool of champions i can play in the mid lane without fear of becoming irrelevant and crippling my build path just to not feed my enemy laner.

just because of the sheer number of champions zed is a counterpick against.

Meep Man1 votes

Can you name these champions he counterpicks? Just a full list would be nice.

Very Hard Engage6 votes

in my opinion, zed does exceptionally well against

Brand AurelionSol Heimerdinger Karthus Kassadin Katarina Lux Morgana Orianna SyndraTaliyah TwistedFate Veigar Viktor Xerath Yasuo Ziggs Zyra

typically speaking, you either have to outdamage zed (extremely difficult unless you rush a needlessly large rod, and who can do that?) out sustain his poke, build tanky (this is a weaker build for nearly all champions minus brand, swain, vlad, annie),

to beat zed in lane, you must land all of your skill shots and successfully throw him out of the lane, you must consistently do it too or else he heals back, or its negligible thanks to his own bulk and 3 health pots. obtain a level and farm advantage over him.

being completley reasonable, you go oom or you dont land all of your abilities 100% of the time, then its pointless to do anything other than farm, because hes always going to be out of your kill range, or you go very deep and commit and all you can get is his flash.

otherwise in all other situations he eventually gets you down over time and you get thrown out of the lane and now you're behind. or ganked and flashed on and you simply cant react at all because you're dead.

mages usually have 1 CC ability, and zed has 2 opportunities (3 including flash) to dodge it which will all result in your death.

the champions zed typically loses too are

Aatrox Alistar Annie Chogath Darius DrMundo Galio Garen Gragas Jax Jayce Kayle Lissandra Malzahar Malphite Maokai Pantheon Renekton Poppy Singed Swain Tryndamere MonkeyKing Fizz Ryze

which is pretty much what you see in the top lane, so how can you take these champions mid lane? only after you see zed lock in, which isn't always possible.

the champions which go even with zed are

Ahri Anivia Azir Cassiopeia Diana Ekko Leblanc Talon Vladimir

Errastas1 votes

Some of those champs listed as being weak against Zed, don't belong on that list.

Very Hard Engage1 votes

you mean to say with skill, and under the right circumstances, you can absolutely kill zed when hes making a mistake. but otherwise zed has the capacity to ignore your skill shots, and walk all over you when he plays well.

if both are even, they are definitely at the disadvantage.

Errastas1 votes

My skill shots are up a lot faster than his W and it's easy enough to hit a Zed or force him under tower. The same way he dodges your skill shots, his can be dodged.

Is skill not how you get kills or make plays? Beating Zed doesn't require him to make a mistake.

Very Hard Engage1 votes

what champions are you consistently beating zed more than 50% of the time?

and what are you doing?

Errastas1 votes

I don't have an issue beating him with Ziggs, Kayle, or Cho. Sometimes I have to play passively and just push and others I can trade with him and still push lane. I probably have the easiest time against him with Cho.

If I'm supporting against him, I'll take Zil, Ali, Kayle, and sometimes bard.

Very Hard Engage1 votes

well if you scroll back up... i listed cho and kayle as strong against zed....

and ziggs is pending if you can consistently land your bombs levels 1 and 2 and burn his pots. but if you cant, zed becomes cancer. but if you're landing all your bombs ziggs is hella strong and a good indicator you're better than he is, by a wide margin.

Errastas1 votes

Those are what I listed, but I feel comfortable playing other champs into Zed.

Ziggs is fun though, good wave clear and now with the satchel buff you can punish him for roaming too much.

KillerKell1 votes

Cho is a Mid. Shen (at least Old Shen) could play it in a pinch. Mao' could probably go Mid as well and hold his own. He's got some Range with his sapplings, and has some Tank to him, along with Hard CC to lock down a diving Zed or 'follow' him if you have him low but he's rushing away. But I haven't done that match up, so I can't speak from experience, just from theory-crafting.

If you are willing to run a Mid Mage up Top then there are tons of Counters to Zed... or at least people that can ignore him and live to get to Team Fights, where an Under-Fed Zed is a waste.

Just have to be willing to make the Lane Switch for the good of the team.

Kayle Mid used to be a 'thing' as well. Great push, easy farm... and of course that Level 6. Once she has her Ult, Zed has zero desire to dive her... it's no use as long as her Ult is up.

Anivia in her Off-Tank is another good one. As long as her Egg is up, she's fairly safe to just farm under Turret nice and easy like.

I do agree that LeBlanc is a 'Skill Match Up' as they are pretty even. What about Viktor? How does he fare against Zed?

Also Fizz... does his Playful Trickster take off the Zed Mark? If so... wow. He seems like a decent enough Counter, though then Zed can just sit back and Shadow Farm to out scale if he's smart.

q3fogWe6LF1 votes

Shen

Red Wreckage1 votes

So a pool of 30+ champions who do well or go even against Zed is not wide enough?

Very Hard Engage1 votes

no, you're forced to pick from less than half* (this excludes all the top laners and you are only picking a champion which is considered to be a mid laner)

or risk being at a huge disadvantage.

what other champion choice can do that? lucian? old level 2 invade pantheon?

by banning zed you open up your choices to the full "mid lane" pool.

16 1/2 (half for kayle she doesn't really belong mid, but w/e you can say 17). vs the 18 above which will most likely be rammed into the dirt for champion choice alone

and last i checked op gg says theres 50 mid lanes but i've only included about ~ 35 here probably more obscure picks like urgot, fiddlesticks, karma or something.

Errastas1 votes

Lmao "crippling your build path".

Narvuntien9 votes

No one trusts their mid laner not to feed him. He snowballs extremely hard and can just farm farm farm when he doesn't.

Dominick Destine4 votes

Because he's brokenly overpowered.

He's also faceroll easy, requiring zero skill to succeed with.

Errastas1 votes

He's not broken and he isn't face roll. When I see Zed picked on the enemy team I know we've pretty much won the game. I'll pick a support that counters him and make him useless all game after laning phase.

KillerKell3 votes

I don't. If they take Zed I go Mid with Shen or Cho and destroy him.

Errastas1 votes

I like Cho into Zed, good pick. People to lazy to learn and think Zed > All.

Glîtchy4 votes

Well Zed is still pretty busted, I mean why the QSS thing?that change was unnecessary Riot, I mean while we're on the topic of unique negtive effects, let's make QSS negate Ahri's charm now! (but seriously why not make all unique effects are unaffected by QSS?)

archerno12 votes

TBH there is nothing else to ban atm. I personally mostly ban Ezreal cause he is annoying both in your team or enemy team.

DrCyanide2 votes

Because I'm tired of the matchup. I've done it enough times it's not rewarding to beat him, just frustrating to play against.

I don't care if Zed is balanced or not right now, I don't want to see him.

Zero Skill Tank2 votes

a) Because he is pretty broken b) Because he beats Fizz for being the most unfun champion to play against

Glîtchy2 votes

'Cause he is a satanic fuckhead who got stupidly buffed with QSS no longer effecting his death mark, also his damage is ridiculous

"Killing only really happens with his ult"?

bitch please.

ModWulf Helhammer2 votes

The only time I actually ban Zed is when I'm playing Kindred mid. I'm a squishy low range marksman. You bet your ass I don't want the guy who excels at killing those facing me.

I usually have other stuff I find more annoying/unfun to play against

Handin Out Naps2 votes

Uhh kindred mid is one of the best Zed counters lol... Any ranged ad mid shits on Zed super hard early game, but kindred takes it a step further by having a lot more kill pressure plus an ultimate that completely nullifies Zed's. You may need practice on the match up if you are banning him for that reason alone.

Wildlash22 votes

I used to ban zed because I thought he was broken, then I realized Gragas was even more op (In the jungle, obviously) so I started banning him instead.

Sire Hippington2 votes

If i play mid, it's because i become very limited in my champs. I can easily deal with him, but i don't like playing the likes of annie or malz every game, sometimes i wanna bring that veigar or orianan, and against zed, thats not a good idea. And even in a good matchup, his Q spam is just very annoying to face in lane.

If some one else is mid, you just cna't trust on him to not feed zed. The issue isn't that zed is overall to strong(at least not by much), but that in the games that he wins, he usually takes over the game completely and playing vs him becomes a chore. Zed in the opposing team basically means there is a 50% change that you won't enjoy your game.

Though thankfully zed usually gets banned anyway, so i can ban kindret, which is not only annoying to deal with but also balantly op.

Miraweave1 votes

Because he's very strong and very popular.

venomous frost1 votes

because even if you "win lane", he can always keep farming safely and stay even with you. and when teamfights break out he gets fed anyway because he instakills squishies and he's too slippery for solo players. aka you can never catch him

Bharhash1 votes

Unless you have targeted CC, locking Zed down long enough blast him to bits can be exceptionally difficult.

While most Zed's might not have the sort of reaction time to pull off any #LCSPLAYS, the simple threat of having to face that is enough for most people to simply ban him outright. As well he has pretty safe wave clear, and as an energy champ basically only has his time in lane dictated by how much health and how much gold he has.

warpenguin5551 votes

dont wanna have to put up with him

Zarvanis1 votes

Because I main Veigar Veigar. I almost always ban the popular champions who counter whoever I'm playing.

Elewd1 votes

because i dont like laning against him, i hate his free poke/wave clear playstyle with good all in potential, so i ban him.

VendettaX41 votes

Seriously everyone is after zed they won't stop asking for nerfs until zed becomes a support champion with no damage abilities. It's quit annoying seeing everyone complaining.

Red Wreckage1 votes

I don't ban Zed. but it seems that banning Zed is meta these days.

Imo, this ban Zed wave is secretly outrage against QSS changes. Even some of players who ban Zed don't know it :P Before only mages hated Zed, now ADC has joined in too.
They should just revert QSS

swordking21 votes

zed don't ban he too cool also why people ban zed cuz they can't handle the shadow as zed says balance is weakness they rely too much on banning zed so they can have fairmatchZed

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