why would a ranged mage have more hp than a garen ? garen has 2048 hp at 18 and syndra has 2053 syndra currently has 90 hp / lvl, soon to be buffed to even more that is 95 hp and garen has 84 hp / lvl
garen builds tanky but thats no excuse that a mage has more hp than a "juggernaut"
Infernape7 votesGaren's effective HP is higher because of his W passive. He gives up raw HP for resistances.
SiG DxD4 voteseffective hp
thats like saying effective burst cause syndra gets more AP scalling,no ?
IP Masquerena1 votesAlso don't forget that Garen has a speed boost on his Q, a basically "CC remover" on W and also tenacity from it, making him quite hard to kill and pin down, while Syndra has none of the above, if you get to her and she doesn't have her knockback, she's dead.
nm10101 votesEffective HP is your actual tankiness vs a specific damage type. It is also the only defensive stat that really matters as it determines how much damage you can actually take before dying (outside of true damage). To put it into perspective, here are the effective hps of Garen and Syndra at level 18 without items:
Syndra: Actual HP = 2053 Effective HP vs AD = 3747 Effective HP vs AP = 2843
Garen: Actual HP = 2049 Effective HP vs AD = 4856 Effective HP vs AP = 4168
Garen has much higher innate tankiness without even including his w active.
Edit: Also, typically tanky people want more resistances towards the end of the game over more hp. It has a lot to do with the optimal effective HP output, the simple way to describe it is that you should have ~10 resistance per 100 hp to get the best value out of purchases.
ThisName1sDumb3 votesI don't really see the problem, I mean, I saw another post kind of like this complaining that Braum had lower base hp at level 1 than quite a few adcs, but he's supposed to be a tank. The thing is, because of his kit and also the highest level 1 armor value in the game, tied with Leona and Tahm Kench, Braum is still far tankier than any of the adcs. This is pretty much the same thing. The base hp difference between them at 18 is pretty much negligible, but even without building defensive items Garen is going to be far tankier than Syndra at level 18 because of tools in his kit and his w armor and mr stacking.
Meep Man3 votesGaren is still harder to kill than many tanks I have seen due to his W alone.
PB4UAME2 votesThe base stats in this game are ridiculous and nonsensical.
Compare Overwatch, where tank characters have literally > 3, to 6 times the health pools of carries, BEFORE FACTORING IN DEFENSIVE ABILITIES to League, where Braum has less HP than half of the RANGED ATTACK DAMAGE CARRIES let alone almost all mages. Then you have shit like Syndra, Anivia, Pyke, Zed, etc having more HP than most tanks and bruisers Then, just look at Shen's base stats compared to all ranged champions, and just laugh. Like what the actual fuck.
Defensive abilities on carry champions like Irelia, Yas, Yi, Trynd, etc? No problem, you get higher than average base stats actually, go you! Defensive ability on a tank? Well, you're gonna lose a few hundred HP, some MR per level, some HP per level, and maybe even some armor too!
RIOT needs to do an entire base stat revamp, almost from the ground up. There should be a noticeable difference in the durability of fucking ranged kiting carries and goddamn tanks-- and it should not fucking ever be that the ranged kiters have more health on top of their range, damage, mobility, safeness, and their own built in defenses, CC and other peel tools.
D357R0Y3R1 votesBraum is incredibly ùùed to begin with
and even then the difference between braum and Yi isn't their base stats, or their tankiness
Yi brings the damage for his team Braum brings the cc for his team
both are melees
full stop, no need to write further