cause its freaking cancerous to be able to crit squishy for atleast half their hp and tanks with 12% max hp true dmg
squishy burst and tank killer ?what is this monstruous creature of an adc
bbQsauçe15 votes[deleted]
DestructoDave9 votes[{quoted}](name=bbQ s,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AVeEqEMy,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-12-09T13:54:49.061+0000)
Yes,
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+ Q max and you get a huge power spike in the mid game, when you're supposed to be a late game hypercarry.
This is what always confuses me about Riot. You keep hearing about these late-game hypercarries, but they end up being mid-game hyper carries. Twitch and Vayne turn into complete monsters at 2 items, and their lanes are NOT weak. At one time they might have been, but not anymore.You have champs like Caitlyn who is a late-game hypercarry, who has the best early game out there. And any semblance of a weak mid-game was minimized when Riot decided to rework her into this free headshot monstrosity she is now with traps and E, and Hurricane alone softens her weak mid-game.
Then you got champs like Lucian who are supposed to be lane bullies but are complete ass in lane, and complete ass in mid-game on 2 items. Same for Draven.
A hypercarry is supposed to be like Jinx. Her lane is meh, and she is pretty meh all they way up to 3-4 items.
A hypercarry is not supposed to spike off 2 items and dominate. A hypercarry is not supposed to turn lvl 6 and instantly win lane/trades, like lvl 6 is late game when its 8 min in.
Takua Nuva3 votesjinx is not a late game carry her win rate is lower over time she is more a snowball champion
AkhriPasta1 voteslook at her e as well, the range that u get knocked back is ridiculous. even im in center of my lane she can still stun me. what the fk ? also her ult + Q can do about 1k crit and then theres invisibility. no counter! however twitch can be dealt with easily, his kit isnt that broken.
Karn Bishop11 votesI always thought her niche was being the god adc that everyone must worship, to me it explains the attitude of every vayne i have ever met, played with, or against.
HazyCloud77 votesSupposed to be a tank killer, but riot decided to just give her a light tap on the wrist instead of taking away the ability of her Q to crit.
Brain Errör 4041 votesIf they take away her ability of her Q to crit, riot's gonna have to buff her regular auto attacks. Those shit are the weakest pebbles in the game. Her Q and passive is LITERALLY where ALL of Vayne's damage comes from. Outside of those 2, they legit have nothing.
Maybe if they gave her more of a window of power, they could leave Vayne as she is. Like, make W an active, slightly increase her base auto attack damage, whiles keeping her Q at, say, a 3 second cool down at max, rather than the 2/1 second cool down. That way, she has to play a bit smarter and focus a bit smarter as well. If they increase the window of power, they can probably do a lot more with Vayne, rather than stat checking her so much.
HazyCloud73 votesOf course, I'd expect buffs to her Q AD ratio at each level to compensate for that.
Pretty tired of Vayne being able to R auto Q with IE/Shiv complete and killing people from stealth. And it's not like you can drop a pink ward to deal with it either anymore.
She's not an assassin, no reason she should play like one.
Dengeden1 votesBecause now that people found an excuse to whine about her again, her Q suddenly shouldn't be able to crit like it's done since release.
Quantum Lotus5 votesVayne kills assassins and squishies with 2 shots because Vayne is not an adc. Vayne is a ranged assassin (who can also kill tanks). Lol ...
INoble KnightI1 votesCause reasons.
KiIIJoy4 votes[{quoted}](name=SiG DxD,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AVeEqEMy,comment-id=,timestamp=2016-12-09T12:57:04.175+0000)
cause its freaking cancerous to be able to crit squishy for atleast half their hp and tanks with 12% max hp true dmg squishy burst and tank killer ?what is this monstruous creature of an
adc
I think if they took off the crit chance of q she'd be in a better place.
As a Vayne player that's what I see being a problem. In addition to the shiv damage being allowed to crit too lol.
As for tank killing and squishy killing here's the problem in my opinion. Unless you're running a poke comp you need to stop pussyfooting around and engage. If she is allowed to do some damage to you because you're afraid of her then you're going to lose.
If you someone go Vayne and you choose, let say, caitly/draven and passively farm. You're missing the point and literally handing her the lane and potentially the game.
And choosing the right champs is good help too. Choose that Caitly/draven/mf. Make sure your support chooses an poke champ. As a Vayne player it is literally the most soul crushing thing to go vs a karma Caitlin lane. Can barely farm under turret. And that's at the cost of poke.
Her early game isn't as weak as it used to be but it was buffed because it was too weak.
Grab that malphite, hecarim, fiz, zed.
Learn to make her cry rather than sit back and let her do what a she wants.
I'm sure I'll get downvoted for defending her but I do enjoy her kit and the ideas behind it even if she is too strong right now.
I'd rather her be viable than nerfed into obscurity. I'd even be satisfied with botrk Vayne.
Also, Vayne isn't yi. She is still effected by as slows, fh/randouins/exhaust. If you are going tanky va anvayne and build SUNFIRE or WARMOGS. You deserve to get beat.
Additionally, don't stand there and auto her if you autorange her(hi bronze Caitlyn's) keep moving and fight her at arms length. There was a game where I was 3-0 after lane(against a Caitlyn and a soraka(y raka)) where we just focused raja. And ignored the Caitlyn. They still won because Caitlyn farmed and was able to hold me at arms length and they had a 2 tank frontline too. Anytime I got close, she'd use eq auto ult and I was dead. It's just playing right guys!'
Tldr: -frozen heart, randouins, exhaust. NOT WARMOGS AND SUNFIRE CAPE. -poke lane, kite comp, burst mate/assassin. -malphite, jayce, zed, Leblanc, shaco, rengar, talon, yasuo, zac,ect. (Hopefully you get the idea)
nerf q crit, and shiv proc and her mid/early will be weaker. While still allowing her to be the late game hyper carry(blow people up) she was meant to be
TS Media3 votesDf? Vayne got her nerf and people still QQ'ing?
Papa Andrei2 votes-10% ad scaling on q is sucha nerf
TS Media3 votes-20%. Yeah, it was a nerf. it's in the SAME EXACT spot it was BEFORE people started bitching. Vayne is fine now. The 70% crit was ridiculous, but the 50% crit is just fine now. She isn't any more problematic than she was pre patch 6.17.
Mokkun3 votesVayne's niche is duelist.
Yes other ADC's can duel, but that isn't their purpose or niche. They tend to be objective killing + specialty within their field. Vayne is actually pretty terrible at sieging, so her only real objective control is dragon and baron.
She essentially ends up acting like an assassin, but that's true of any duelist. The difference is that unless she's up against something seriously squishy, and has multiple procs lined up, she's not a burst assassin.
She may or may not be too good at her job, but that is her niche. She's actually bad in teamfights, unless she's playing cleanup, because her range sucks, and invisibility doesn't necessarily save you from the pile of AOE going on in a big fight.
Wiz the Great3 votesIt's broken, i agree.Killing squishies fast and countering tanks, absolutely never happens on every single other adc xD
Rıots Bad Client2 votes+Her niche is the ability to 1v1 anyone.
-So shes not that good in team fights. -Not great in lane(Shes bullied.) -Not great in pressure(can't wave clear that well)
Vesemir2 votesShe is insane in teamfights due to her mobility, invisibility and disengage with her E if an assassin jumps on her.
She is not bullied with a Dorans Blade and Warlords mastery, she will heal back in no time.
She is great in pressure due to Shiv. Not to mention the kill pressure after she gets a shiv. She will stomp you 1v1 even if she is 1/7 and you are 5/0. Once she gets a shiv and BT sword you will feel the pressure of something hard on your back.
ScissorsNstuff2 voteswhy does vayne need to be niche?
Chief Mayonnaise5 votesProbably just talking out of my ass here, but I think that an ADC should be niche if their late game is so strong that they can 1v1 assassins to a degree, unless its somebody as instakill as rengar. An ADC that becomes such a hard carry simply by extending the match shouldn't be an adc thats just picked without considering the other team comp.
ScissorsNstuff1 voteswhat you're describing, a hypercarry, is actually the norm outside of league.
But by that sort of logic you could say the lategame IS her niche
rengar wasn't an assassin and feels even less like one now
Brain Errör 4043 votesFirst two statements is cannon. Last one is bullshit. How can an assassin not be an assassin? Lmao.
ScissorsNstuff1 votessame way viegar isn't really an assassin but he was labeled one anyways.
I mean you can keep telling yourself that all you like but don't try to nerf the universe because rengars weaknesses aren't the same as all the other assassins and he loses to vayne or something.
Brain Errör 4043 votesBack when Veigar literally could press R on any AP champ and 1 shot them, I'd consider him an assassin back then. Now he's a scaling monstrosity that 1 shots anyone after he farms enough. He's the ap, shorter(hue) version of Nasus.
Rengar's whole kit is designed around him sneaking about and taking out his prey. Straight up confrontation is the last thing he wants. He wants to do his job quickly and swiftly. He is, without a doubt, an assassin. Always has been, always will be.
Automated Riven1 votesactually viegar scales way harder then nasus. they just need to remove the bonus ap on hitting champs.
The Truman Show1 votesactually played a one for all against vayne as rengar.. we got smashed.. i guess the passive w stacking with multiple vaynes didn't help lol
Wyrmblade2 votesIf Kog has to be niche, then so does Vayne.
ScissorsNstuff1 votesIf vayne has to be niche then extend her range so she can be an artillery champ like kog.
Wyrmblade1 votesThen remove her mobility and nerf her self peel like Kog
ScissorsNstuff1 votessure, we can make vayne niche as long as she can do what she does from 3 times further away :3
Ultîma2 votesEvery ADC is a squishy burster. Carrying is literally implied in the name of that class.
Any ADC that can't even kill squishy targets is simply not picked.
MunchCrunchLunch2 votesadcs become squishy busters at around 5 items. vayne does at like 2 items.
Automated Riven2 votesany adc that gets lucky crits with IE and Shiv will be a squishy shredder. ever seen caits crit with heashots mid game? it hurts so bad. or jhins forth shot. or Mf double up.
dominusx1 voteswell crit is always a fun stat isnt it? a twitch appearing and getting 4 crits in a row and oneshoting everything is proper gameplay with COUNTERPLAY sicne we all know how easy it is to dodge autoattacks . But oh well an assasin who has 30kills oneshoting a squishy is a NO NO SENOR and must be made useless. Only viable assasins are Kha and Rengar / Kata and Leb atm that can be played at a high level of play.
DunkinNoobs1 votesShe's target agnostic and super slippery. That's her niche.
Wyrmblade1 votesDang I wish my niche could be "kills everyone while also being nearly unkillable."
DunkinNoobs1 votesDang I wish my niche could be "kills everyone while also being nearly unkillable."
You're thinking 
. Vayne may be slippery, but she most certainly isn't tanky. Late game Jax? Say hello to 4k+ health and 300+ resistances while still doing tons of damage.
PlanetWarwick1 votesWell statik and ie are a kill squishes build Botrk and pd are a tank kill build
TyroneWatermelon1 votesDon't forget that it's ALL right clicks,making Vayne the easiest adc
statelesskiller1 votesand there is virtually no counter play to her stealth now, your only hope is to have this 
motherfucker on your team, HOPE TO GOD, he can land a Q.
or have a dot mage like brand or swain who can smack he with a dot before she goes invisible so you can see her outline sometimes, WHICH ISNT USEFUL
SugarRayMoe1 votesHe's nieche is my pick and ban screen.
Wind Whistler1 votesCancerous, difficult to balance, frustrating to play against champion. That's her niche.
