aatrox feels super weak ,even with guinso or in any way you build him

SiG DxD·Jan 24, 2016·44 votes·4,517 views

hes like father of dante ,sparda or some anime demonic character but to be honest doesnt feel relevant at any stage of the game bad scalling depended on passive speed ,but once revive ,easily die again unless all team backs you up W heals good only below 50% W consume too much hp E width and damage R damage Q is very slow ,LAGJUMP ,ccs himself and is easily interrupted everything he does has a cast time ,that ccs himself ,stopping commands. low base health ,like anivia or zyra ,or cannon minion.

even with sated+guinso ,its half as good as jax,xin or especially yi .

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FrickendaChickenJan 25, 20169 votes

Firstly, don't get Guinsoo's on Aatrox, tbh. The ap scaling isn't worth wile on him, and the attack speed ramping up is made null and void when his passive procs, it also takes up a valuable item slot that could be lifesteal or health/a better attack speed item. I have 5 ranks of mastery on Aatrox, and I have to say, SO many people play and build him incorrectly. He works well with items that give attack speed and defenses, and lifesteal. You basically build Hydra or Bork (Depending on the enemy team) then usually get Wit's End, Spirit Visage and the rest is situational.

He's super self reliant. He's squishy because he isn't a normal tank by any means. He is a sustain tank, you have to play around his sustain over his resistances. Jungle Trox is harder than Top because while his ganks are strong, but they take some practice to pull off successfully.

Mid game+ is where he's relevant, you have to abuse his power spike of 6, 11, and 16. The W heal should only be good at low health, otherwise there'd be no reason to use Blood price. He has bad scaling because his power lies in using his abilities effectively to allow the Trox to his auto attacks consistently. His E damage is strong for it's range and slowing power. The width just takes time to get used to, and I honestly rarely miss with it. You can often combo it with your Q, and you can easily hit someone who's in your face with it by throwing it 45 degrees in either direction of them. Sated + Guinsoos is an honest waste of item slots. Sated is definitely his best jungle item, but don't just farm the whole game until you get it, abuse his amazing gank potential. (Dive potential, 2 cc's, sustain.) But then get something that isn't attack speed and increases the strength of his autos. Like Hydra. (Hydra is practically core on this guy).

Low base health because he has infinite sustain and 2 lives... He has cast times because otherwise his combo of sustain and damage usually wont be interrupted, and he would just gromp through teams. The best Trox players can usually use his cast times well enough to make it worth it. His Q increases his time he'll be hitting someone total, and his E keeps someone in range, meaning he'll hit them more. Both of these times are worth wile. The R damage is massive, for what it does. And it also isn't there for the damage, it's there for the stats, increased range to keep someone in his auto attack range, increased attack speed to deal more damage/ increased sustain. His Q and E combo into his ult to make it so no one can escape him without popping some important cooldown.

Many people believe he just farms the whole game then comes and helps his team, but it isn't true. If your Trox is doing that then he is a bad Aatrox player. Aatrox's power spike relies on his ult and passive, if either of these are up, he's incredibly strong. Practically unkillable unless 2 people waste their burst on him, which is a complete waste, as then his team smashes in. If his passive is up, it's doubly wasted. His W does not consume so much hp if you build 1 lifesteal item. He heals for almost 1.5 times the damage it deals per two auto attacks with just Rav. Hydra. The Q is slow, but good usage of it defines a good Aatrox player. The other thing is his W usage and timing.

Aatrox is SO strong in the right hands. I have played games where I didn't get fed, and helped in a team fight. The enemy team often underestimates his strengths, and doesn't realize they need to at least do something to get him out of Blood Price. The next fight I had dragon and 3 enemy team members attacking me while I had a Nami on my side. I Pressed Massacre and had Blood Thirst on, I stayed at a constant 40% health.

His biggest power spike in the game is after getting an attack speed item and getting a lifesteal item. Once you get some health you should be fine for the rest of the game once you've learned how to manage his abilities properly. He has the biggest "Make the right choice of abilities to use or you lose the fight" of any champion I can think of. Sometimes minimalism is the best option when they are fighting back.

Edit: BTW Aatrox is a juggernaut. He builds health over resistances and deals dps damage over burst while being very hard to kill and with a really strong mid-late game. He- like all juggernauts- make it less worthwile for people to deal damage to him over carries, but they need to keep him off their faces, or he loses.

Maple CrusaderJan 25, 20161 votes

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Firstly, don't get Guinsoo's on Aatrox, tbh. The ap scaling isn't worth wile on him, and the attack speed ramping up is made null and void when his passive procs, it also takes up a valuable item slot that could be lifesteal or health/a better attack speed item. I have 5 ranks of mastery on Aatrox, and I have to say, SO many people play and build him incorrectly. He works well with items that give attack speed and defenses, and lifesteal. You basically build Hydra or Bork (Depending on the enemy team) then usually get Wit's End, Spirit Visage and the rest is situational.

He's super self reliant. He's squishy because he isn't a normal tank by any means. He is a sustain tank, you have to play around his sustain over his resistances. Jungle Trox is harder than Top because while his ganks are strong, but they take some practice to pull off successfully.

Mid game+ is where he's relevant, you have to abuse his power spike of 6, 11, and 16. The W heal should only be good at low health, otherwise there'd be no reason to use Blood price. He has bad scaling because his power lies in using his abilities effectively to allow the Trox to his auto attacks consistently. His E damage is strong for it's range and slowing power. The width just takes time to get used to, and I honestly rarely miss with it. You can often combo it with your Q, and you can easily hit someone who's in your face with it by throwing it 45 degrees in either direction of them. Sated + Guinsoos is an honest waste of item slots. Sated is definitely his best jungle item, but don't just farm the whole game until you get it, abuse his amazing gank potential. (Dive potential, 2 cc's, sustain.) But then get something that isn't attack speed and increases the strength of his autos. Like Hydra. (Hydra is practically core on this guy).

Low base health because he has infinite sustain and 2 lives... He has cast times because otherwise his combo of sustain and damage usually wont be interrupted, and he would just gromp through teams. The best Trox players can usually use his cast times well enough to make it worth it. His Q increases his time he'll be hitting someone total, and his E keeps someone in range, meaning he'll hit them more. Both of these times are worth wile. The R damage is massive, for what it does. And it also isn't there for the damage, it's there for the stats, increased range to keep someone in his auto attack range, increased attack speed to deal more damage/ increased sustain. His Q and E combo into his ult to make it so no one can escape him without popping some important cooldown.

Many people believe he just farms the whole game then comes and helps his team, but it isn't true. If your Trox is doing that then he is a bad Aatrox player. Aatrox's power spike relies on his ult and passive, if either of these are up, he's incredibly strong. Practically unkillable unless 2 people waste their burst on him, which is a complete waste, as then his team smashes in. If his passive is up, it's doubly wasted. His W does not consume so much hp if you build 1 lifesteal item. He heals for almost 1.5 times the damage it deals per two auto attacks with just Rav. Hydra. The Q is slow, but good usage of it defines a good Aatrox player. The other thing is his W usage and timing.

Aatrox is SO strong in the right hands. I have played games where I didn't get fed, and helped in a team fight. The enemy team often underestimates his strengths, and doesn't realize they need to at least do something to get him out of Blood Price. The next fight I had dragon and 3 enemy team members attacking me while I had a Nami on my side. I Pressed Massacre and had Blood Thirst on, I stayed at a constant 40% health.

His biggest power spike in the game is after getting an attack speed item and getting a lifesteal item. Once you get some health you should be fine for the rest of the game once you've learned how to manage his abilities properly. He has the biggest "Make the right choice of abilities to use or you lose the fight" of any champion I can think of. Sometimes minimalism is the best option when they are fighting back.

Getting kited is a major problem though. I usually die immediately after my passive revives me.

Auz the RipperJan 25, 20161 votes

Black Cleaver and the furor enchantments helps.

I also like raptor cloak and zz'rot's for the hunk of resists with MS boost attached but that may just be me

FrickendaChickenJan 25, 20161 votes

I personally like health over resistances.

Auz the RipperJan 25, 20161 votes

I like resists because you get more mileage out of your healing, although health is better for soaking up straight burst

Duke AnaxJan 25, 20161 votes

Health also makes it so that your tripple healing kicks in earlier, so it actually gives more mileage out of your healing as well.

FrickendaChickenJan 25, 20161 votes

Yeah, that's something that's a problem of his, but usually if they've focused you enough to take out both of your lives and you're STILL fighting back during each, then they've wasted a lot of things they could have used on your carries.

TheDeviceJan 25, 20161 votes

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Hes easily CC'd out of any real concern in fights.

His kit revolves around lifesteal so a simple ignite or grievous wounds will shut him down.

Malphite, Randuins, or anything that reduces his attack speed will ruin his day.

All these things on top of his dodge-able skills and cast-times are the reasons why hes not seen in top competitive play. You can get by on aatrox vs unskilled or just newer players (as you pointed out) but when facing seasoned players he's a liability.

FrickendaChickenJan 25, 20161 votes

Anybody get's easily cc'd out of a fight (cep't Olaf, but that's his thing)

If they're focusing their ignite on you, and their person with grievous wounds (usually the adc) then they aren't using it on your carries. But generally you live twice during some fights, and your carries can clean up while their cooldowns and health is down.

Randuin's only ruins his day if he attacks them (I think) which just means he needs to get out of and assist his team with objectives like Dragon, Herald, Ganks, or towers.

Yes, his abilities are dodge-able, but I also said that generally a good Aatrox player will not let you leave his sphere of influence. And I also said his cast times are usually used to increase his total damage done with auto attacks, it doesn't matter if you didn't auto attack for less than a second, when, if you hit the opponent, you get 1.15+ of hitting his opponents. And even longer with Massacre. He's a liability when he doesn't understand what to do against a seasoned player. It's MUCH harder to fight against someone who knows his weaknesses, but often times, at that level of play, the Aatrox player his helping his team over helping himself. He'll dive, he'll pop cooldowns, he'll get focused, and he'll heal it up long enough to allow his team wiggle room to win.

That's his point, he gives his team wiggle room, just like in his lore where he inspired the one side of the war to fight with him (Him going in) and ensured their victory (popping the enemies' spells and cooldowns and possibly lives).

NogrimJan 25, 20161 votes

i think these are the core problems with his kit, the dive/smash is on too long of a cooldown to be used as an opener and escape at the same time.

ignite/exhaust or any Atk speed reductions neuter his damage, which is fine (because you need to be able to shutdown his damage if you are ready for it) but because he doesn't have a reliable escape for when that happens it almost always translates to him running in to a brick wall and dying almost instantly

TheI3igDaddyJan 25, 20161 votes

You mention Ravenous Hydra, but what about Titanic? Is the former just preferable due to the higher damage and lifesteal?

FrickendaChickenJan 25, 20161 votes

Titanic is really strong if you are far enough ahead to get enough health and something like Death's Dance or BT. It can even be stronger, but only if you're ahead/ needed the health and still have room in the kit to get lifesteal.

charcharmunroJan 25, 20163 votes

I think another issue is people often try to play Aatrox like Yi/Jax, as a duelist of sorts. He's not a bad duelist, but unlike all the other "melee carries", he's FAR more useful in a teamfight, especially when picking up a Hydra so he can just ult and go full on God of War on their asses. Aatrox is probably the most unique of the melee carries in that sense, in that he's rather encouraged to just get right into the middle of a team and go crazy-offensive.

Auz the RipperJan 25, 20162 votes

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he's rather encouraged to just get right into the middle of a team and go crazy-offensive.

if he's ever worked on, that's what i want emphasized. jumping in the middle of the fray to wreck havoc, regardless of the cost to himself.

FrickendaChickenJan 25, 20161 votes

Exactly!

NogrimJan 25, 20161 votes

this is the only way i have ever had success with him.

NogrimJan 25, 20161 votes

i find the W does more to heal late game when in damage mode with a life steal item. i usually only put in to heal mode when enemies aren't around and i am low. the every third hit heal imho makes this pretty weak for sustain. then again i don't play him enough to really say with any surety

FrickendaChickenJan 26, 20161 votes

Well, if eventually you find yourself getting hit by more than one person and need to keep yourself alive, it is simply more damage to keep blood thirst up seeing as how you simply wont die unless they can cc you to death.

SiG DxDJan 26, 20161 votes

yet ,you see yi with guinso wrecking havoc. and it has barely ap on W meditate

FrickendaChickenJan 26, 20161 votes

Because Yi has true damage, and his passive stacks the Guinsoo's even faster. The only benefit Aatrox with Guinsoo's brings is either hurting himself more for more damage, or healing more, which at that point you should have lifesteal or health instead. The stats don't make it worth it when you can have something else.

Solarus17Feb 10, 20161 votes

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Firstly, don't get Guinsoo's on Aatrox, tbh. The ap scaling isn't worth wile on him, and the attack speed ramping up is made null and void when his passive procs, it also takes up a valuable item slot that could be lifesteal or health/a better attack speed item. I have 5 ranks of mastery on Aatrox, and I have to say, SO many people play and build him incorrectly. He works well with items that give attack speed and defenses, and lifesteal. You basically build Hydra or Bork (Depending on the enemy team) then usually get Wit's End, Spirit Visage and the rest is situational.

He's super self reliant. He's squishy because he isn't a normal tank by any means. He is a sustain tank, you have to play around his sustain over his resistances. Jungle Trox is harder than Top because while his ganks are strong, but they take some practice to pull off successfully.

Mid game+ is where he's relevant, you have to abuse his power spike of 6, 11, and 16. The W heal should only be good at low health, otherwise there'd be no reason to use Blood price. He has bad scaling because his power lies in using his abilities effectively to allow the Trox to his auto attacks consistently. His E damage is strong for it's range and slowing power. The width just takes time to get used to, and I honestly rarely miss with it. You can often combo it with your Q, and you can easily hit someone who's in your face with it by throwing it 45 degrees in either direction of them. Sated + Guinsoos is an honest waste of item slots. Sated is definitely his best jungle item, but don't just farm the whole game until you get it, abuse his amazing gank potential. (Dive potential, 2 cc's, sustain.) But then get something that isn't attack speed and increases the strength of his autos. Like Hydra. (Hydra is practically core on this guy).

Low base health because he has infinite sustain and 2 lives... He has cast times because otherwise his combo of sustain and damage usually wont be interrupted, and he would just gromp through teams. The best Trox players can usually use his cast times well enough to make it worth it. His Q increases his time he'll be hitting someone total, and his E keeps someone in range, meaning he'll hit them more. Both of these times are worth wile. The R damage is massive, for what it does. And it also isn't there for the damage, it's there for the stats, increased range to keep someone in his auto attack range, increased attack speed to deal more damage/ increased sustain. His Q and E combo into his ult to make it so no one can escape him without popping some important cooldown.

Many people believe he just farms the whole game then comes and helps his team, but it isn't true. If your Trox is doing that then he is a bad Aatrox player. Aatrox's power spike relies on his ult and passive, if either of these are up, he's incredibly strong. Practically unkillable unless 2 people waste their burst on him, which is a complete waste, as then his team smashes in. If his passive is up, it's doubly wasted. His W does not consume so much hp if you build 1 lifesteal item. He heals for almost 1.5 times the damage it deals per two auto attacks with just Rav. Hydra. The Q is slow, but good usage of it defines a good Aatrox player. The other thing is his W usage and timing.

Aatrox is SO strong in the right hands. I have played games where I didn't get fed, and helped in a team fight. The enemy team often underestimates his strengths, and doesn't realize they need to at least do something to get him out of Blood Price. The next fight I had dragon and 3 enemy team members attacking me while I had a Nami on my side. I Pressed Massacre and had Blood Thirst on, I stayed at a constant 40% health.

His biggest power spike in the game is after getting an attack speed item and getting a lifesteal item. Once you get some health you should be fine for the rest of the game once you've learned how to manage his abilities properly. He has the biggest "Make the right choice of abilities to use or you lose the fight" of any champion I can think of. Sometimes minimalism is the best option when they are fighting back.

Edit: BTW Aatrox is a juggernaut. He builds health over resistances and deals dps damage over burst while being very hard to kill and with a really strong mid-late game. He- like all juggernauts- make it less worthwile for people to deal damage to him over carries, but they need to keep him off their faces, or he loses.

5 ranks on aatorx, thats cute i was the 7th best aatrox in na last season and have over 3k games with him you do not build hp on aatrox due to the % hp cost on his skills and guinsoos is very good on him, he has ap ratios on both his e and his ult, plus the aat speed and att dmg and on hit magic dmg all benefit him. Its a better item in the jungle than in top lane, due to akward build path

Little Stick ManJan 24, 20168 votes

they had to totally gut him because of how he was on release, they never really addressed it after that. after the announced reworks he might have a chance to get updated but don't hold your breath

Phoenix Kotori Jan 25, 20162 votes

"totally gut"

?????????????

V3.13: Blood Well Passive attack speed changed to 30 - 55 (based on level)% from 50% flat. Blades of Torment Base damage reduced to 75 / 110 / 145 / 180 / 215 from 75 / 120 / 165 / 210 / 255.

That is literally the only nerfs he's ever gotten so....

You mean to tell me 20% AS early & on 40 dmg on maxed Q is totally gutted? Damn I had no idea such a minor nerf qualified as getting gutted these days.

I mean they even tried to give him a little back last year.

V5.11 Blood Well Cooldown reduced to 225 / 200 / 175 / 150 seconds from 225 seconds at all levels. V5.6 Massacre Now grants 20% of Maximum Blood Well for each enemy hit.

Little Stick ManJan 25, 20161 votes

oh man that's the only thing that changed since his release? every item is the same? gutting a champion doesn't always mean crippling their numbers, change in items and change in meta can also complete gut a champion

Phoenix Kotori Jan 25, 20162 votes

Being out of meta =/= gutted. Gutted implies he was specifically targeted. At least say something like "his itemization was gutted".

And what item pray tell has been gutted so badly that it ruined him?

item 3153 item 3074 item 3065 Still exist in decent states so his core items still good item 3812 item 3139 seem like they'd be welcome items on him, so unless he misses feral flare I am failing to see what was lost.

Little Stick ManJan 25, 20162 votes

bork isn't even rushed on vayne anymore since they nerfed the % health damage, Tiamat doesn't give the cleave passive so the build path is just way worse, and spirit visage loses half of its use against heavy ad comps. the problem is that nerfing a champion almost entirely reliant on auto attacks passive bonus by 20% is fucking massive. btw since the nature of the meta has changed to one with massive amounts of cc, aatrox cant do what he was able to do during the meta in which he was released. like during the league of tanks meta assassins felt almost useless since 4 of the 5 members on the enemy team had 3k hp. that's an example of how a meta shift can gut champions or classes

FrickendaChickenJan 25, 20161 votes

The meta currently is very fast, meaning that with experience you can learn how to rush specific items, know when and where to buy what, and how to utilize them. Oh no, tiamat's cleave passive was removed, it doesn't matter. It means he doesn't push as hard, when what he should be doing is ganking or freezing wave so he can win the lane/game. Bork isn't rushed on vayne anymore not just because of the %health damage, but also because there are better items. It isn't rushed on Aatrox either usually because it just doesn't give the stats he needs all the time. Hydra is much better. There has never been a meta since his release where he has been flat out useless.

Right now it just means his transition phase takes a little longer to get to, but (again) knowing how to play him, you move the transition phase back to where it was, and even a little earlier. I can't stress enough how much that 20% attack speed reduce hurt his early game. And only his early game. Late game it doesn't matter because with just Wit's End, berserker's greaves, full blood well, and massacre give him 2.5 attacks speed.

Duke AnaxJan 25, 20161 votes

Why Wit's end specifically?

FrickendaChickenJan 25, 20161 votes

Resistances keep him alive longer to keep his sustain damage going, gives him more resistances the longer he's in fight, the on-hit magic damage is just great in general on characters like him, and the attack speed keeps him fight longer means he can continue to do damage and sustain himself.

Duke AnaxJan 25, 20161 votes

I feel like AS items don't do a whole lot on him because he already got so much in his kit.

I had the most success with rushing AD and Health, Titanic Hydra and Black Cleaver specifically.

But I haven't thought about trying Wit yet, gonna do next.

DrNovaJan 24, 20167 votes

If you jungle and get sated he can be pretty mean but in lane yeah he's meh.

MunchCrunchLunchJan 25, 20161 votes

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If you jungle and get sated he can be pretty mean but in lane yeah he's meh.

i dont wanna go against a sated aatrox. nasty.

yay nibbersJan 25, 20163 votes

This. Sated Aatrox with a BoRK is a monster. No offense intended to OP, but it sounds like they're just bad at Aatrox.

SevixysJan 25, 20162 votes

He is level 28.. You gotta understand him :)

FrickendaChickenJan 25, 20161 votes

His jungling takes more skill to make the most use of his resources, but his laning phase ends earlier than most people's as he usually comes to start fights and take objectives faster than other top laner's. He can solo Herald with half of Hydra and Doran's blade. Meaning he can solo dragon earlier. If you know how to win your lane then you can snowball the game to a victory just from lane.

rtbf225618241Jan 25, 20163 votes

The amount of cc in the current state of the game is too damn high, and he can't deal with it. It's impossible for him to get close before being killed.

FrickendaChickenJan 25, 20161 votes

Q from where they can't see you, or after an important cc has been thrown, and immediately use Massacre. Did the stun you? Yes, ouch, that's bad for you. Do they have a dash? Yes? Even worse? Do they have a dash? No? They are still in your range and you can also hit Blades of Torment to keep them there.

rtbf225618241Jan 25, 20161 votes

Your argument would be valid if he had more forgiving skillshots and more damage.

I saw someone post a thread about him playing thousands of games as him, trying to master him and he admitted it was a pure nightmare. He is unbalanced af and everyone knows it. Go make a thread asking why people don't play him and let them explain. I am too tired to do that, right now.

XrusaJan 24, 20162 votes

The only time he ever feels effective is if the enemy team just hands you 5 kills and you can get two core items and just live forever with lifesteal, otherwise it feels useless

SevixysJan 25, 20162 votes

I love it why every Aatrox-complainer is unranked.. (this one level 28) You haven't had a single Aatrox -game in your last 10 matches (these are what i can see) so I'd say your argument is invalid.

IMO Aatrox is perfectly fine. I have atm 80% win percent with him, haven't had a single game this season when I haven't been relevant with him. Are you sure you play him right? Aatrox is a decision-making champion, if you don't know how to play him, he is ineffective.

You said you play him with Guinsoo's? Aatrox scales incredibly well with ad, as and lifesteal. I played Guinsoo's once but haven't touched it since then cause it wasn't good for my playstyle.

Try this kind of build: item 3932 > item 3047 item 3111 > item 3153 / item 3077 > item 3065 > item 3074 item 3748 / item 3143 / item 3742 >rest tankiness. In top: >boots> (usually building this even if enemy is ad due to all other useful stats and passive)> >some armor>situational dmg-item(maw, botrk, cleaver, bt f.ex)

He has endless possibilities, ap scaling (which i hate), a free revive(which usually gives me first blood), a gapcloser(offensive/defensive+knockup), poke, steroid and HUGE SUSTAIN!

Aatrox is one of those champs who excel even if you only take one or two damage items. If you go full damage, you are usually doomed.

Tl;DR Please. don't speak if you don't know of what you're talking about..

BoulderoxJan 25, 20161 votes

The trouble is he is so limited in items, he doesn't inherently scale well with levels, and he has VERY poor itemization, literally making him need Attack speed and lifesteal. CDR is wasted on him because he doesn't have any "spammable" spells to utilize it. Crit is ok... but not really anything special and overall lack luster on Aatrox. He is stuck in the limbo of having to ONLY build damage, and be too squishy to even survive fights with his sustain, or build tanky and survive longer, yet you can't sustain/do enough damage to come out on top.

FrickendaChickenJan 25, 20162 votes

Why would you only build damage? doing that makes you squishy. You build health over resistances and lifesteal+attackspeed/damage (like With BT or Rav Hydra.) You don't need cooldown reduction for spammable spells, but it's efficient mostly for Massacre to be up every single fight, and always useful for Dark Flight and Blades of Torment. (get a spirit visage, it's GREAT!) WHY BUILD CRIT? You're wasting an item space for something Aatrox shouldn't utilize. Crit isn't his point, sustain tank is.

(your end point) Then go in the middle. Find a post of anyone who says that their an Aatrox player and talk about playstyle and builds, they talk about going into the middle. And if you think he does no damage then you aren't using Blood Price properly, if you think he has no real sustain then you aren't using Blood Thirst properly.

BoulderoxJan 25, 20161 votes

I think that is the discrepancy is though, if you are using your w well, you will be using its blood price to maximize output, at the cost of you yourself taking your own damage with spell costs and enemy damage to boot.

I won't claim i am an expert at Aatrox, but i just see it that way with him, Crit and cdr are nice, but at the end of the day You shouldn't be rushing crit or cdr, but it is nice to have it as side pieces on core items. Middle ground is the true area that should be strove for, item 3065 item 3742 item 3074 are all very key and enhances what he does, I find for a champ that has to be statistically weak due to the sustain aspect, is lack luster when he needs gold to get high ticket sustain/tank items and that means you need farm or kills, and while farming lanes is ok, I find if he doesn't snowball he offers little to a team other than a sacrificial lamb. :/.

It comes down to the fact that Aatrox is meant to be a fighter, and he has nothing to counter cc like Fiora , or damage steroid of a Tryndamere full rage meter, he just seems lack luster when compared to a lot of champs, and I really want to master Aatrox, because I know he CAN do well, but needs so much in such little time to get there.

LiveYiOrDieHardJan 25, 20161 votes

Yes he's weak. No he shouldn't be buffed. He's a champion that really needs a rework, unlike all these other decent champions Riot keeps screwing up.

Do you not remember what happened last time Aatrox was viable? People spammed him in the jungle and just tower dive with impunity and snowballed every game into a stomp. He's an unkillable monster when he gets ahead, and useless when he's not. So he got nerfed to the point it almost takes a miracle to actually get ahead on him.

SevixysJan 25, 20162 votes

I don't know about NA but in EUNE Aatrox is still spammed in every single game - usually in the winning side (had 3 enemy aatroxes today out of 6 games). He is in no ways weak but could maybe like some adjustments.

FrickendaChickenJan 25, 20161 votes

He can still do that. With any amount of practice and his decision making understanding he becomes a monster. That's where they want him. They want him to take more Micro and Macro to play than other champs.

Slamurai JackJan 25, 20161 votes

You rushed 2 straight damage items on him. Of course he feels like shit. Aatrox is way too squishy to build that way. Sated->Titanic Hydra is what you really want.

Duke AnaxJan 25, 20161 votes

I tried a lot of shit on him Sated -> Titanic is what feels best. Or Bork -> Titanic for top.

Darius StradaJan 25, 20161 votes

upvoted because of DMC reference

hOrnnJan 25, 20161 votes

back from a game of jungle aatrox from wood 2

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2079071343/45731568

last item GA because im a scumbag.

runes are 3x 4.26 armor quints, attackspeed reds, armor yellows and mr blues.

mastery page was 18/0/12

did not run flash because Q has low enough cooldown, went ignite smite to pick up alot of early kills.

no attackspeed item but by keeping my bloodwell full before engaging+ult and with the +1350 bonus health from items, lots of armor and 60mrga+25boots i was able to tank decently well enough to get third procs of w while low and knock them up after b4 then bursted me again.