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Moonfall Saber·Jan 24, 2019·22 votes·11,051 views

I feel like the gameplay plans video did not give me any information at all. For starters you did not address the baron changes which rolled out in this patch which is HUGE. Secondly nothing about game balance was even mentioned. What are the key problems that we look forward to changing in 2019? All I saw from this video was pushing new game modes. Are we moving away from summoners rift? Whats the goal here? Also is twisted treeline completely forgotten about? What the actual hell is being looked into this year?!?!?!

27 Comments

Meredith StoutJan 24, 20195 votes

They are "exploring" this year rather looking at current gameplay. No idea what does that mean but k.

Edit; forgot to mention "Clash". I hope that thingy get out of Beta already, its been 2 years now?

OleandervineJan 24, 20195 votes

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They are "exploring" this year rather looking at current gameplay. No idea what does that mean but k.

Edit; forgot to mention "Clash". I hope that thingy get out of Beta already, its been 2 years now?

Eh. Is Clash really that important though? They tried multiple times, and failed. I don't even particularly see what new experiences it adds to the game anyway that Ranked doesn't offer in some form or fashion.

Meredith StoutJan 24, 20193 votes

Idk, i liked Clash tbh. Only thing that was shity about it was how poorly developed it was. Constant crashes, delays, or not even playable.

Moonfall SaberJan 24, 20194 votes

This does raise the question though... Does clash really matter? Why are they putting all this effort into clash when summoners rift is failing us and thats probably 90% or so of the main playerbase.

Jeddy017Jan 24, 20193 votes

The experience it adds is allowing normal people a chance to play like Pro players with friends.

Such as Having organized rosters with consistent players, going against other organized teams with available stats to look up, formulate plans around both teams strengths & weaknesses, fight though tournaments with other organized team, etc. All that Esports jazz with no LP on the line.

It's certainly an experience. How much value that experience has or adds it to League depends on the player.

OleandervineJan 24, 20192 votes

I mean, I guess. But the big difference is that pro players have the luxury of completely cutting themselves off from the outside world to focus on the tournaments, while casual players do not. So while I do understand some of the appeal, it's not really that feasible because of the demands (3 days at a locked time frame for matches) that it places on a large group of people who can't really divide themselves from reality that easily. And I understand there are those who can do that, but they would be outliers. It's just to me not a particularly great experience, especially since the rewards aren't worth it for having to dedicate that kind of time to the game, and with the increased instability of having teams who may have to shift constantly because of life expectations (and the rigidity of the system that doesn't allow for flexibility like that).

Velzard of KozJan 24, 20192 votes

Especially since their balancing and design looks like they have been exploring more than Dora for some time now. I think it means not much will change, so that is a good or bad message based on one's taste.

Meredith StoutJan 24, 20192 votes

True, i believe this season will be same as last one. But this time we have newly created ranked system. Which is fail imo.

Jeddy017Jan 24, 20195 votes

Dude, the video was about giving us an BROAD IDEA of what we can expect gameplay-wise for this year. The video's goal was NOT to be a patch notes or go over specific balance changes.

Moonfall SaberJan 24, 20193 votes

So game play wise what's new and coming to summoner rift? They didn't say.

Jeddy017Jan 24, 20192 votes

Of course they didn't say. They're not going to reveal things & talk about specifics this early.

Moonfall SaberJan 24, 20193 votes

You mean like they do every season?

TaylorwillJan 24, 20191 votes

For the past 4 season at least they have announced their goals for ranked specificly.

KFCeytronJan 24, 20194 votes

Sounds like it gave us a lot of information, actually. :(

Moonfall SaberJan 24, 20192 votes

really? I thought all she talked about was other game modes.

ModWulf HelhammerJan 24, 20194 votes

Because the video wasn’t about balance...

Why would they be talking about it on something completely unrelated?

Moonfall SaberJan 24, 20198 votes

Because then balance will never be discussed. This was the roadmap we waited for? because it had nothing to do with summoners rift.

ModWulf HelhammerJan 24, 20194 votes

They talk about balance on Dev corner threads and patch notes, with Rioters giving context on specific things when they see them (Reddit, Twitter, here)

That wasn’t a video about balance. Why would they be talking about balance?

Are you expecting there to be discussion about the state of the jungle or whatever on the upcoming champion roadmap?

People expecting there to be answers to every question on anything Riot posts is one of the reasons they tend to stay away from this place.

ODiiiiiNJan 24, 20192 votes

Honestly Baron Nerf should have at least been mentioned in the patch summary video.

Twisted Treeline is pretty much fucking dead bro, they keep it there for the small group of fans that probably still play it religiously. However I think instead of them wasting time on another crappy ass Odyssey type of PVE (which I bet 90% of the people only played for the rewards) they ought to give Twisted Treeline some love and fix it up to make it more appealing for everyone. 3v3 should be a fun mode, should actually be part of the esports series IMO.

I think they should just create a new map for a 3v3 mode and scratch Twisted Treeline. That way the TT fans will have a new map and the people who didnt play 3v3 before would be interested bc its something new. Also add a 1v1 and 2v2 mode in that bitch. Man its so easy to think up of fun modes for League, yet Onslaught Odyssey (which was NOOOOT FUUUN DUDE) is the best way to go in their opinion. smh I only did it for the Ziggs skin and ended up rerolling that shit lol.

MinardeJan 25, 20191 votes

Making a new 3v3 map wouldn't solve anything. It might draw some attention temporarily (as you said, because it's new), but that's just a stopgap. Making 3v3 part of the esports series, having events and/or Missions, or at least regular updates would be much more impactful.

At present, the mode itself is decent. Sure, there's various issues (e.g. Support meta), but that's true for every map. The main problems are just that there's no change or variation and little incentive to play TT. SR players complain when certain power picks remain strong for a month or two. Meanwhile, TT's meta hasn't really changed in a year or two. Furthermore, there's not much reason to even play TT. Aside from Challenger rewards or the Gold chroma, Treeline doesn't offer anything. It's explicitly excluded from Mission progress (5v5 PvP games only), and Champion Mastery tokens still aren't available there.

I can't tell if Riot did or didn't learn from Dominion because this is frustratingly similar. "Give people no reason to play a game mode, and then act disappointed that no one plays that mode." It's even more frustrating that the gameplay plans video mentions refining new game modes, yet has no mention of actually supporting League's existing game modes.

ODiiiiiNJan 25, 20192 votes

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Making a new 3v3 map wouldn't solve anything. It might draw some attention temporarily (as you said, because it's new), but that's just a stopgap. Making 3v3 part of the esports series, having events and/or Missions, or at least regular updates would be much more impactful.

At present, the mode itself is decent. Sure, there's various issues (e.g. Support meta), but that's true for every map. The main problems are just that there's no change or variation and little incentive to play TT. SR players complain when certain power picks remain strong for a month or two. Meanwhile, TT's meta hasn't really changed in a year or two. Furthermore, there's not much reason to even play TT. Aside from Challenger rewards or the Gold chroma, Treeline doesn't offer anything. It's explicitly excluded from Mission progress (5v5 PvP games only), and Champion Mastery tokens still aren't available there.

I can't tell if Riot did or didn't learn from Dominion because this is frustratingly similar. "Give people no reason to play a game mode, and then act disappointed that no one plays that mode." It's even more frustrating that the gameplay plans video mentions refining new game modes, yet has no mention of actually supporting League's existing game modes.

Yea I feel you... I really would like to play more TT.. but ranked mode is too salty and regular mode is usually dead, 8/10 times ive logged on for a regular game of TT I was the only player and everyone else was a bot. Never seen that in league, even bot SR is more populated than TT regular mode. Its sad. Its a dead mode. And honestly Riot ought to fix it.

BloodhammerJan 25, 20192 votes

You have to power through a lot of treeline games to break out of the bot elo.

MinardeJan 26, 20191 votes

Yeah, while I haven't personally run into any bots in normal TT, it seems similar to the old Dominion issue. Win some games to carry yourself out of the bots' MMR bracket.

Düff McWhalenJan 24, 20192 votes

Riot found their own personal Ion Hazzikostas. Amazing.

Moonfall SaberJan 24, 20191 votes

whos that?

Düff McWhalenJan 25, 20192 votes

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whos that?

Ion is the guy currently Lead Deving WoW for Activision. Watch any of the videos with him "addressing" the state of the game, and it's nothing. He is saying vague lawyer speak and not directly addressing any top hot button issues despite being able to Ctrl+F and find dozens of threads, comments, and feedback stretching back months, even a year+.

I got the exact same vibe listening to that lady talk for Riot's recent patch update. Was spooky.