Why is Runaan's Hurricane/Morello's still so grossly cost-effective?

WoonStruck·Nov 1, 2016·3 votes·817 views

Compare it to other Zeal items.

Is it really hard to wonder why this item is so much more common than other zeal items, sometimes even rushed?

If you really think its the passive, question if that nearly 110% gold efficiency (compared to ~85-90% for most other crit items) has anything to do with it.

Same with Morellonomicon for mages. People buy it because its so insanely cost-effective, and grants AP+CDR. They don't even buy it for the passive.

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ABlueQuakerNov 1, 20164 votes

All of the AS-Crit Chance items are ~2550g?

If Riot's Balance Team had a collective IQ over 110 they'd give all of the AS-Crit Chance items the same raw stats and build costs and force players to decide between passives on a case-by-case basis.

EDIT 1: Preferably they'd all have ~40% AS and 30% Crit Chance so that (as an example) item 3085 + item 3046 + item 3508 + item 3031 always = 100% Crit Chance. That way you can deal a moderate amount of damage with 50% Crit Chance, or go full Glass Cannon with 100% Crit Chance.

EDIT 2: As Riot would say, 'meaningful choices'. If you're not worrying about raw item stats, then you get to make a more educated decision when buying your core items.

WoonStruckNov 1, 20161 votes

Pretty much this.

Giving them different stats to encourage purchase just creates the potential for another extremely powerful passive to be tacked onto an item someone bought for the stats like item 3165 item 3116

zacktootallNov 1, 20162 votes

why are you crying about it.....

WoonStruckNov 1, 20161 votes

A grossly cost-effective item compared to almost any other class' items outside of mages and assassins that's basically purchased by the majority of champions that want crit+AS, regardless of the passive.

Hmm...I wonder.

zacktootallNov 1, 20161 votes

welcome to league get over it

Craft ZeppelinNov 1, 20162 votes

well thats because marksman have on-hit benefits of course whicn boost the potential of this item like three times.

WoonStruckNov 1, 20163 votes

No actually, its the cost-effectiveness.

The passive is an absolutely free bonus. You could even say you get paid for it with how cost effective Runaan's is.

Nerf the cost-effectiveness to 85% like the other Zeal items and I bet you this item never sees the light of day.

Pierce The VealNov 1, 20162 votes

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No actually, its the cost-effectiveness.

The passive is an absolutely free bonus. You could even say you get paid for it with how cost effective Runaan's is.

Nerf the cost-effectiveness to 85% like the other Zeal items and I bet you this item never sees the light of day.

You're probably right.

Last season Runaan's wasn't much weaker, it just didn't have crit, but in exchange the procs didn't have to crit to deal 50% of your AD in damage.

Sniper 0Nov 1, 20162 votes

Morello's ends up being a situational item though. Runnan's is a must buy if your champion can use it effectively, no ifs ans or buts.

SGT Dingle BerryNov 1, 20161 votes

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Morello's ends up being a situational item though. Runnan's is a must buy if your champion can use it effectively, no ifs ans or buts.

Ands

WoonStruckNov 1, 20161 votes

If your champion has mana, Morello's is basically must-buy. Its almost 120% cost efficiency, has 100 AP, and 20% CDR. And its build path lets you spam all through early laning.

If an item has 100 AP and anything over 100% cost efficiency, its a pretty good indicator that its over-tuned. cough Rylai's cough

Sona PingNov 1, 20161 votes

Because gold efficiency can be very misleading if you aren't careful. Especially if you are using it as a measure of the quality of the item.

You are missing out on the fact that we don't know the "true" cost efficiency of most items because most passives cannot be estimated the way other stats are. There is also the inequality of passives, there is a great variance in the strength of the items. The passive may be a significant part of the cost of the item or it may not be. Sometimes it's the reason you buy the item, sometimes it's only a free gift with purchase.

If you really think its the passive, question if that nearly 110% gold efficiency (compared to ~85-90% for most other crit items) has anything to do with it.

And this is a problem when you have completely missed that on LoL wiki, unlike the other Zeal items, Runaans has part of it's passive factored into it's gold efficiency. If you remove that from the calculation, Runaan's drops to sub-100% gold efficiency like the rest of them.

Same with Morellonomicon for mages. People buy it because its so insanely cost-effective, and grants AP+CDR. They don't even buy it for the passive.

Everyone buys it because with the nerfing of Athene's, there are no other CDR-Mana options. And of course they don't buy it for the passive. That's just a bonus. It isn't useful in most situations which is why it doesn't weigh heavily in the item cost.