4 Assassins in the top 50% winrate.

IAmWoralo·Feb 19, 2018·8 votes·2,750 views

Shaco, Fizz, Twitch(Yeah I know) and Diana. http://euw.op.gg/statistics/champion/ Based on results of past 7 days in ranked

Can we discuss about this? This number is sad.

17 Comments

Death by GlamourFeb 19, 20187 votes

arguably only 2

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you missed ekko and wu (lethality build, makes him a better assassin than actual assasins)

JmmanFeb 19, 20183 votes

Well Assissans crap on Mages / carries.

Adc tools / items contain too much safety and damage.

ADC blow non tanks up. Now only Tanks / other champs that can zerg people are played.

Assassin win rate is down because they are facing mostly tank or zerg champs. Since Assassins have delayed burst Tanks / burst kills them.

Right now champs that have crazy burst or be tankish with damage win. If not go home. I would say 50% champs are below average, 25% ok spot, 25% well over tunes but these are always the same champs. Can't poke down with them because there is too much sustain.

to fix this they need to nerf damage about 20% ad and 10% ap across the board, removed 80% of the sustain from Runes, Nerf hp for tanks. (make them choose high hp or high resist not both or a combo of the stats. Lethality now becomes melee only. item 3022 procs slow every 3rd attack. Tower do % hp attacks.(20 to 30%) This is a good start imo

EedatFeb 19, 201812 votes

Assassins don't shit on mages by default lol. For example, all of Zed's hardest counters are mages Annie Malzahar Anivia .

They have good and bad matchups like every other champ

JmmanFeb 20, 20183 votes

wait so you link 2 mages that can win out of 50 and you say your right?

Annie and Malz have crazy damage with instant CC.

Can't talk reason to Assassins. If they can't Instantly kill everything including tanks they are weak.

BTW assassins will crap on Anivia due to mobility to avoid her CC. And Zed is not the only assassin. As a Whole assassin crap on mages. You must be a Bronze 5 if you think Assassins don't crap on mages. That is the only class they can kill atm. Its the instant CC and tanks that makes the assassins look back. They don't need more damage.

EedatFeb 20, 20181 votes

Ummmm I was just listing a few that counter Zed. If you want some more Fiddlesticks Morgana Vladimir Lissandra Ekko Zilean . The thing about Zed is that when he ults you, you know exactly where he is going to be and exactly when. If you have some CC to line up he's pretty worthless. Lots of mages do well against assassins. Especially since the addition of stopwatch. Not saying ALL, but a lot. The notion that assassins beat mages by default or even on average is 100% false. Like I said, they all have good and bad matchups

BTW assassins will crap on due to mobility to avoid her CC

Lol WUT. Anivia is known as a counter to assassins lol. You blow all your burst then she eggs and you have absolutely nothing left. This one looks gets worse in teamfights because you can't even really target her.

http://na.op.gg/champion/anivia/statistics/mid

Has favorable win rates against literally every mid assassin currently Talon Zed Kassadin Katarina Akali Leblanc Fizz Diana (?) Fizz

Malix FarwinFeb 20, 20181 votes

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Well Assissans crap on Mages / carries.

Adc tools / items contain too much safety and damage.

ADC blow non tanks up. Now only Tanks / other champs that can zerg people are played.

Assassin win rate is down because they are facing mostly tank or zerg champs. Since Assassins have delayed burst Tanks / burst kills them.

Right now champs that have crazy burst or be tankish with damage win. If not go home. I would say 50% champs are below average, 25% ok spot, 25% well over tunes but these are always the same champs. Can't poke down with them because there is too much sustain.

to fix this they need to nerf damage about 20% ad and 10% ap across the board, removed 80% of the sustain from Runes, Nerf hp for tanks. (make them choose high hp or high resist not both or a combo of the stats. Lethality now becomes melee only. procs slow every 3rd attack. Tower do % hp attacks.(20 to 30%) This is a good start imo

Thats weird because every assassin meta we've ever had skyrocketed Annie Win rate and i do not think there is a single assassin in the game she cannot beat.

JmmanFeb 20, 20181 votes

Well isn't Annie more of an assassin than mage when you look at her kit. Instant death with CC. if you read what I wrote I said you need Burst/cc or tank to beat them. And she has the burst / cc. Her instant cast burst will beat the delay burst.

Mages are funny because their are a lot of different types. But 3 or 4 mages out of 50 some would be an outliner and prove my statement correct.

EedatFeb 20, 20181 votes

Well isn't Annie more of an assassin than mage when you look at her kit

No lol. She's a burst make like Syndra Veigar etc. An assassin with zero mobility doesn't make any sense

PoskeFeb 19, 20182 votes

Katarina cant be at 50% due to skillcap Le blanc cant ever be even at 48% due to skillcap Zed cant ever be at 50% due to skillcap + he forces full ad teams so often.. shouldnt be at 50%

I could keep going

Assassins are the hardest class to master

UnvictusFeb 20, 20184 votes

So assassins need to be high skill cap and should never have above 50% winrate, but adc’s get to be brain dead and right click burst every class in the game??? Seems logical.

HayaishiFeb 20, 20181 votes

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So assassins need to be high skill cap and should never have above 50% winrate, but adc’s get to be brain dead and right click burst every class in the game??? Seems logical.

Only Zed and LB are high skill cap though.

PoskeFeb 20, 20181 votes

You are missing a point

Hard to master champions ussualy have lower winrate else they would be stomping high elo It just happens so that assassins are full of hard champs

UnvictusFeb 20, 20181 votes

I understand that, but the major discrepancy in skill cap of classes in general is disturbing. Why should assassins as a whole need delayed and or connditional burst, when adc’s right now do burst per second from a safe range and have a babysitter slave support dedicated to protecting them and only them. That’s just the way the state of the game is right now. Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for counterplay and I’m fine with what they did to assassins, I just don’t agree with the favoritism to adc’s. Something needs to be done to the marksman class and or the support class. Supports need to be given more tools/ incentives for protecting their team or other classes, rather than just marksmen.

jadelinkFeb 20, 20181 votes

This is normal. Assassins take skill to play, and well over 50% of the game is in bronze or silver, have you SEEN how bad a bronze zed is ??

If you have a class that requires high mechanics AND good judgement to play, they will be garbage at low elo, unless broken overpowered.

In diamond, kat is a terror, with a higher than 50% winrate. If she isn't to hit 60% in diamond, and be permabanned, she cant get 50% in bronze.

PandeonorFeb 20, 20181 votes

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Shaco, Fizz, Twitch(Yeah I know) and Diana. http://euw.op.gg/statistics/champion/ Based on results of past 7 days in ranked

Can we discuss about this? This number is sad.

Hm. On NA Yi has a winrate of 50,8% ranked 37.

With 139 Champions given.... and 15 wich are called Assassins.... 5 Assasins are 1/3 of 15 I guess.... and 50 is about 1/3 of 139..let´s say 46.... hm..... well

1/3 of the assassins are within the first 1/3 most successful champs.

Right?