Maybe then she won't be extremely broken. She would only be a bit broken. Further nerfs imo should be lowering either Q speed or Q AP scaling and reworking W into something actually useful that doesn't absolutely break the core of League's gameplay...
Vapor Wave Vibes7 votesDo cleanse and was not fully remove it? Seems like they should
DoktorKaiser4 votesIf you cleanse while you are drowsy you will still fall asleep and get 1 shot. You have to wait out the slow and then cleanse the sleep. Its stupid and broken and needs to be gone now. Also she can cast her Q while CC-ed or in Zhonyas, what the fuck is that... This champion is all kinds of broken.
The steam life2 votesYou have to wait a second before you cleanse how is that broken.
DoktorKaiser4 votesBecause you HAVE TO get slowed for 2 seconds by drowsy because if you cleanse the slow you will fall asleep and get 1 shot. That literally negates cleanse, qss, Mikaels, Morgana's black shield etc. Pretty much if you get hit by Zoe E there is no counterplay in the game for it and any normal team will jump on you as soon as you get hit because they know there is not a single spell that can cleanse it off of you in the next 2 seconds.
The steam life2 votesFirst it’s 1.5 sec. second of all it’s a 10-50% slow so it’s not like those 1.5 seconds of a slow are enough to kill anyone. if they were then slows would be so much more powerful than they are now. It’s not like people use cleanse on slows so I don’t see why this one is different. Just wait 1.5 sec and that literally it
GayFluffyUnicorn1 votesSlows are the majority of the CC in this game and the most cancerous actually especially for melees. People do use cleanse/QSS etc on slows if they can dodge other shit with it?
The steam life1 votesExactly its a common cc a slow so her cc isnt really that special. And regardless of what you say most people dont cleanse slows 95% of the time.
ChaddyFantome6 votesHer W is fine, but Imo, they should fix or remove the minion wave thing, or make it merely spawn blank bubbles that dont do anything but proc her 3 autos from W.
Her E needs to either work like a Lux E that can be stopped by minions mid flight or be just a single target nuke. Not both.
Q needs to not do True freeaking damage. That is just unnecesary and stupid.
DemainaNyx2 votesQ doesn't deal true damage.
Her E applies puts you to sleep and makes it so that you take double damage up to a certain amount. Meaning, if Soraka autos you, you'll only be deal 50 physical damage plus 50 true damage. If Zoe's Q hits you, then you'll be dealt 300 magic damage and 300 true damage. If Veigar ults you, then you'll be dealt 1320 magic damage and whatever the max true damage is (depends on how much AP Zoe has and how many levels her E has).
The true damage is from her E, not her Q.
ChaddyFantome2 votesQ doesn't deal true damage.
Her E applies puts you to sleep and makes it so that you take double damage up to a certain amount. Meaning, if Soraka autos you, you'll only be deal 50 physical damage plus 50 true damage. If Zoe's Q hits you, then you'll be dealt 300 magic damage and 300 true damage. If Veigar ults you, then you'll be dealt 1320 magic damage and whatever the max true damage is (depends on how much AP Zoe has and how many levels her E has).
The true damage is from her E, not her Q.
Ok. Why does she have a damage amp on jer E in the first place?
Jorencice3 votesSo... erase the champion... got it.
Cuz you literally just suggested erasing everything that makes zoe zoe.
PEEWEE783682 votesCorrect me if i am wrong... But Is not ZOE a 2 part skill? It hits does DMG then sleeps? So you need to cleanse when ur drowsy??? I thin kthats balance as hell..
DoktorKaiser2 votesNo, if you cleanse while slowed (drowsy) you will still get stunned (fall asleep) and get destroyed. You have to wait out the fucking slow and then cleanse and in that period of time you are pretty much already jumped on by assassins/divers or chain cc-ed.
PEEWEE783681 votesNo, if you slow while slowed (drowsy) you will still get stunned (fall asleep) and get destroyed. You have to wait out the fucking slow and then cleanse and in that period of time you are pretty much already jumped on by assassins/divers or chain cc-ed.
No that is not how it works ZOE skil lis a 2 part if you clense to eary it wont work simple as that i just looked it up buddy...
DoktorKaiser3 votesOk so everyone on this forum is mentally retarded but you understood it all right? Jesus Christ some people are just...
VoraciousX2 votesHonestly cleanse is like the worst summoner spell ever. A 1300 G item removes nearly everything cleanse doesn't PLUS what it does. It's pretty stupid. I think it needs a rework and I've suggested putting Cleanse and Barrier together because barrier isn't used super often anyways and cleanse needs a buff honestly. But yeah I took cleanse vs a Zoe and was like "WTF!" cuz I thought I could jump on her and cleanse when she W'd me and it didn't work. I was pretty sad because by the time you are able to cleanse the sleep Zoe's already one shotting you. Didn't know Black Shield didn't stop the drowsy debuff though.
DoktorKaiser1 votesOh it stops the drowsy, problem is the sleep part of her E is separate from the drowsy part, meaning that if you cleanse the drowsy you will fall asleep, so you have to wait out the slow by which time you are probably jumped on and its too late even if you perfectly cleanse the sleep part or you got a black shield while drowsied. Imo it fucks Morgana the most because it punishes good reflex to black shield before getting hit by E. I am still not sure what happens if Sivir or Nocturne get hit while their spell shield is activated, they probably fall asleep as well after 2 seconds. Also when I said cleanse I meant everything - actual cleanse, QSS, Mikaels, GP orange etc...
VoraciousX1 votesOh it stops the drowsy, problem is the sleep part of her E is separate from the drowsy part, meaning that if you cleanse the drowsy you will fall asleep, so you have to wait out the slow by which time you are probably jumped on and its too late even if you perfectly cleanse the sleep part or you got a black shield while drowsied. Imo it fucks Morgana the most because it punishes good reflex to black shield before getting hit by E. I am still not sure what happens if Sivir or Nocturne get hit while their spell shield is activated, they probably fall asleep as well after 2 seconds. Also when I said cleanse I meant everything - actual cleanse, QSS, Mikaels, GP orange etc...
I know, but that's WHY cleanse sucks. They make more and more things that just ruin it as a summoner. Wasn't specifically talking about Zoe's E when I meant QSS is better.
Niyume1 votesCan you please just fuck off already? Good God.
You wanna talk broken? Let's look at fucking Lux, let's look at fucking Veigar, let's look at fucking ADCs, let's look at fucking Susan, or any other dozens of champs that literally just mash buttons and you die.
Meanwhile we have a champ who is ENTIRELY based on skillshots, ENTIRELY telegraphed, and pathetically easy to beat... and everyone wants her to be gutted into non-viability.
DoktorKaiser5 votesHer skillshots have the same cooldown as fucking Karthus while doing THOUSANDS of damage, they have EXTREME range and EXTREME missile speed which hardly qualifies as telegraphed and punishable. If she is fucking easy to beat then why do people say she is broken??? Been watching any streams lately ? I fucking have. From seriously best players on this planet like Faker to retired challenger streamers like qtpie EVERYONE is saying that this champion is fucking disgusting and gamebreaking, so would you please stop defending this abomination just because you like freelo or you get a hard on for little disney girls, because nobody gives a shit about 1 person's opinion. The community is clear - Zoe is a festering tumor and we don't want another Yasuo that will terrorize us for years to come.
Friendly Ram1 votesit is fully removable by black shield. black shield just doesn't cleanse now.it's like asking for spellshield to block both casts of anivia Q.
GayFluffyUnicorn1 votesNo, unless they changed it. Blackshield would block the slow but you would still fall asleep afaik.
DemainaNyx1 votesIt is removeable by QSS/black shield (I don't know cleanse since I don't run that). If you black shield the spell before it hits you, you don't get drowzy/sleep. If you QSS after falling asleep, you wake up.
It's like Urgot's ult. If you Black shield before the chain connects, you won't get pulled, but you have to QSS after the chains connect to remove the effect.
Arduno1 votesBlack shield works against zoe Sleep But only before the target gets hit by Zoe sleep Shield ally and then they get hit by Zoe sleep and nothing happens Shield ally during the sleep and it wont help much and its way too late
DoktorKaiser1 votesMy point is that there is no counterplay to you being hit by her E unlike every other CC that exists in this game. You have to wait out the slow because if you cleanse early you go to sleep, yes its not a big slow and it doesn't last very long but it is these small things that make Zoe utterly overloaded like every other CertainlyT champion. Its also the psychology that makes this ability broken as hell because if your squishy gets hit your allies will instinctively start running in front of you to shield you from the 1 shot and enemies will automatically jump on you asap which makes it an extremely useful engage tool even when cleansed, especially due to it's disgusting range late game. If you also combine the engage potential that it has with the ridiculously low cooldown, the cooldown refresher on hit, the true damage amplifier (if I understand correctly it works on allies too so if she is so bad that she can't 1 shot you, her allies will) and the goddamn trap that rewards her even for missing you get the ability that is, in my honest opinion, now overtaken windwall as the most gamebreaking disgusting piece of cancer ability in league. And I am not even going to talk about her W breaking the core gameplay of League with its RNG, it will speak for itself in LCS when she will in my prediction be permabanned forever.