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How to carry games from far behind? ADC needs help

Speeedy··2 votes·1,571 views

So I have reviewed my games from this week and on my games that have been loses. My team in bronze 4 (Solo Q) tends to get run over. Let me give you statistics that I have compiled from the 15 min mark in my games of all my losses.

My stats Average CS 108.5 KDA 2.34/1.42/1.87 CS over opponents - 22.67

Team Stats Towers - 1.85 (yes its negative we are behind) Kills -9.13 (behind again) Objectives -.95 (usually dragons)

With what feels is happening is top/mid/jungle are just feeding kills and my small lead is outweighed by the fact mid or jungle has 2-4 kills more than me. What can I be doing to help my team in these situations. I feel like the games just snowball out of control and we are not able to come back. Almost all of my games are on Caitlyn. Should I be playing another ADC that can help me snowball better? If so who? Should I be roaming more to assist other lanes? I have no idea what to do to prevent the early game mayhem that I am finding in bronze this season because last season I never touched league before it really and got out on solo Q ADC to silver just before the season ended.

22 Comments

iBubbles1 votes

uh you need more kills? ._. adc attack damage carry you can't carry a team with 2 kills and a death, sorry bud. the cs isn't that bad for 15, though you should try to get more.

Dranor1 votes

Honestly right now Jhin and Caitlyn are great picks. You need to be more aggressive it seems. You need to get that kill lead on bot lane and just take it from there, you'll be item's ahead basically. Once you get bot tower you should focus on other objective, such as dragon tower or even herald pre20. Once you have all out towers start at bot and work your way up again. Or always rotate as a team. Have a 2:3 setup, meaning have the adc and tank push top and other 3 push bot, they'll have to make a choice to go for either, chances are they won't know which to go for. after even 25 minutes look to get baron, kill their jungler and try to get one more but if not you can obviously smite it getting it, just make sure to land. One more tip is go into a bot game and just practice your CSing. Get friends and make one a support and the other 2 the enemy adc and support. Practice this csing and try to land everyone of them. If you play passively just csing you should have around 130 before backing one time. (IT ADDS UP) Keep your river bot side warded and even the try bushes depending on which side you're on. You always wanna see them coming cause it sucks when you don't and also use smart pings effectively t let allies know where enemies are and if they're Mia and to be careful etc. I hope this helps, if you wanna add me I can help even more if you'd like (im an adc main)

Speeedy1 votes

one of the biggest problems I have is getting my team to listen to pings, one game we killed 4 at our mid T1 turret at 25 min into the game. We all had over 75% health so I pinged baron and ran towards its since the only person left was a support but they all ran to every other direction of either backing, pushed down lane or went to bot :/

Dranor1 votes

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one of the biggest problems I have is getting my team to listen to pings, one game we killed 4 at our mid T1 turret at 25 min into the game. We all had over 75% health so I pinged baron and ran towards its since the only person left was a support but they all ran to every other direction of either backing, pushed down lane or went to bot :/

You need to explain before hand, If we win teamfight then baron. If we lose then back or regroup. You always wanna let them know ahead of time.

Critmaster Garen1 votes

"average cs" doesnt say shit.

like that could be in a 50 minute game, or at 10 minutes. actually, if your game average is really 100 cs, if we asume that games last 30 minutes on average, thats rather weak.

Speeedy1 votes

thats my average CS at 15 min into the game please read the post

doublelift fg1 votes

In teamfight you should be the last one dying

In laning phase you should farm and get 100 cs at 12 min (or earlier) and 200 cs at 25 min(or earlier), if you don't it means you're not good at farming, try to build the overpowered item 3085

If you're against divers like Vi then don't start the teamfight at the same time your allies fight why?

because when the fight starts Vi will have 2 options: -waiting for you and not helping her allies -uses her mobility to fight and at this moment you can start the fight

Try to go into option and use the orb walking option that allows you to hit anyone near you, i bound it to the key T if you want to kit someone press T+right click then walk away then press T+right click again ect..

now when it comes to pick play Twitch Vayne Caitlyn Jhin

ViiLLAiN1 votes

what i have learned is you have to basically shove bot lane and ward as much as u can and avoid ganks

force the enemy team to focus u spend their resources on you.

that way ur teammates can worry less about ganks and they can hopefully hold their own.

but to do this well u have to be smart on how u trade u have to know how to zone u have to know how to ward deep not just warding bushes but having a pink in ur side brush in lane and deep river wards or ward the plant behind dragon pit on their side.

having a sustain support helps alot with this Nami Sona Soraka Bard Janna also having high dmg poke supports with cc such as Zyra Brand Annie Morgana Velkoz Zilean Lux

to sum it all up the only way to win is being a big factor force them to pay attention to ur lane and just outplay them

Rivuo1 votes

900k+ Caitlyn main here

Adcs dont carry. You winning the game is usually on your teams hands. Bot lane is decided by the support anyway. There are plenty of games where i went 6-0 bot lane but nothing i could do after lane to the 4-0 irelia

doublelift fg2 votes

i think i need to do a montage showing how you single hand carry your team with an adc

if you're 6/0 cait and you lose against 4/0 irelia you should probably stop playing adc

else i can't explain how you lost to irelia who has to be in the entire fight to hit you while you have your E+W+massive damage+ high movement speed from ADC items

Rivuo1 votes

[{quoted}](name=doublelift fg,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=aTmLd31n,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2016-12-15T15:07:02.447+0000)

i think i need to do a montage showing how you single hand carry your team with an adc

if you're 6/0 cait and you lose against 4/0 irelia you should probably stop playing adc

else i can't explain how you lost to irelia who has to be in the entire fight to hit you while you have your E+W+massive damage+ high movement speed from ADC items

Hit diamond promos, 250k on ashe, 100k on jhin, 300k on MF, and so on.

Have myself 2 montages.

I know quite damn well adcs cant carry and anybody telling you adcs are what win the game is just a bad liar. The meta atm is whoever has the better jungler and mid laner

doublelift fg1 votes

it doesn't matter if ADC win the game or not

there aren't a single role that can win the game alone, except junglers because if your allies are bad you can help them

so don't expect yourself to win the game alone, however if odds are in your favor you just can't lose, irelia can't kill a caitlyn especially since caitlyn had more kills then her. if you were kog or jhin or varus i would have understood but cait? nop

the meta right now is also extremely good in laning phase adc like twitch cait jhin and to an extend vayne, if you shit on the enemy adc the other team is just 4v5 while you become a threat to the enemy front line

Rivuo1 votes

[{quoted}](name=doublelift fg,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=aTmLd31n,comment-id=0005000000000000,timestamp=2016-12-15T15:12:36.038+0000)

it doesn't matter if ADC win the game or not

there aren't a single role that can win the game alone, except junglers because if your allies are bad you can help them

so don't expect yourself to win the game alone, however if odds are in your favor you just can't lose, irelia can't kill a caitlyn especially since caitlyn had more kills then her. if you were kog or jhin or varus i would have understood but cait? nop

the meta right now is also extremely good in laning phase adc like twitch cait jhin and to an extend vayne, if you shit on the enemy adc the other team is just 4v5 while you become a threat to the enemy front line

I'm not sure what elo you're in.

doublelift fg1 votes

you're lost and you don't know what to say so you prefer attacking my elo xd http://www.lolking.net/summoner/euw/273817#ranked-stats

Rivuo1 votes

[{quoted}](name=doublelift fg,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=aTmLd31n,comment-id=000500000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-12-15T15:28:43.417+0000)

you're lost and you don't know what to say so you prefer attacking my elo xd http://www.lolking.net/summoner/euw/273817#ranked-stats

You dont even play adc at all.. And you literally dont even play ranked ... at all

doublelift fg1 votes

you just can't stop attacking people XD

i don't play that much those times, even then i can play every role

in season 5 i played tons of caitlyn/sivir and other adc, i think I PLAY ADC

i'll attack you now, stop being garbage at adc and you might win

Rivuo1 votes

[{quoted}](name=doublelift fg,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=aTmLd31n,comment-id=00050000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-12-15T15:35:40.420+0000)

you just can't stop attacking people XD

i don't play that much those times, even then i can play every role

in season 5 i played tons of caitlyn/sivir and other adc, i think I PLAY ADC

i'll attack you now, stop being garbage at adc and you might win

lol yes im garbage because you havent played adc for like 2 seasons and dont know any changes ok

Speeedy1 votes

that is kinda how I feel, like no matter how well I play I am just not influencing the game enough

Rivuo1 votes

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that is kinda how I feel, like no matter how well I play I am just not influencing the game enough

It's because you cant as an adc. There is literally a limit to how much you can do.

Theres a fuckin post on reddit that hit the frontpage a couple days ago by Fnatic Rekkles.. The adc main and he was saying how adcs are just in a bad spot overall and they cant do anything till they hit 4-5 items.

Underneath half the comments are diamond adc mains saying how they switched to top lane and mid so they can actually make a freaking impact.

Anyone who thinks adcs are actually able to carry pre 35 minutes is either bronze or lying to themself.

Randomonium1 votes

Your cs numbers are very good for bronze 4. That said, your item builds aren't always very gold efficient. It seems like you go the same build every game regardless of the enemy team comp. For example, you frequently build last whisper against teams with no tanks. That hampers your ability to carry as the game goes on because you essentially waste the gold lead that you have.

What are you doing when your team is dying in lane? League is all about exerting and relieving pressure. If their jungler just killed your top laner that means you have about 30 seconds to be very aggressive bot lane and not have to worry about their jungler showing up. If you take bot outer tower what do you do? Do you just stay bot lane continuing to farm or do you exert pressure in other lanes to get more towers?

I've literally 1v5ed enemy teams with cait. She's a fantastic ADC. Her mid game is kinda weak but her late game is scary. If your team is behind and you're playing Cait you need to turtle up, wave clear, and wait for late game. Only you have 4 items you can single handedly win a team fight if you position well.

Speeedy1 votes

In the early game when its still like 8 min I am just sitting in lane, I never thought to try and pressure lane since the enemy jungle is top. Itemization I kinda figured was a problem but not really that big of one, I pretty much go BF to zeal to hurricane to IE with getting boots mixed in. Past that I am never sure what to build so i typically go safe and go vamp scepter then lord dominiks. After that I grab BT unless they have a lot of cc I feel i am getting caught by or if they have a Skarner then i would go item 3139. Last item is typically just another AS/crit item. Late game sell boots and get 100% crit but was thinking about swapping out item 3046 for item 3508 for the extra damage instead of attack speed.

Randomonium1 votes

Winning league is all about pressuring objectives (and knowing when you CAN pressure objectives without dying.) You can have the best farm, the best KDA, the best item build, perfect runes/masteries, etc but if you don't pressure objectives all that hard work is wasted. Remember, you don't win games by having high CS or a good KDA, you win the game by destroying the Nexus and the only way you can destroy the Nexus is to take towers. You should always be asking yourself "what's the next objective I can take." I talk about it a little bit in this video if you're interested:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKKybwvtW_U

For reference: you're already doing the first part well which is getting a CS advantage, now all you have to do is follow the rest of the logic tree which I talk about in the video. I talk about the logic of winning games around 18:45.

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