Should Free Speech be allowed in video games? (school project)

Speeedy·12/9/2019, 3:47:12 PM·7 votes·3,184 views

I am working on my 3rd masters degree and I am taking a class in regards to modern social concepts. In the class we are discussing the recent phenomenon of people protesting speakers and not allowing them to speak because it is going against their ideas. With that I am looking into different avenues of should there be a limit to free speech in areas such as YouTube, Video games, Search engine censorship, etc. Which brings me to here and the one question: should you be allowed to say anything in video games? Is there a limit as to what you should be able to say? If so how do you define what that limit is? Is the mute button and/or block button enough?

examples (yes i'm censoring just for topics of discussion): you dumb racial slur I hope you get XXXXX and YYYYYY go AAAAAAA AAAAAA

Please keep the discussion civil as this is a controversial topic.

29 Comments

nooperton12/9/2019, 4:18:16 PM9 votes

I dont think people should have freedom ofspeech in video games. Just like in our constitution, where you get freedom of speech, but it is limited to a certain point. I do believe that video games should have a more limited speech. Games like counter-strike where you can say racial slurs, hate speech, be toxic, or tell someone to end themselves without punishment are bad. I remember when j made my transition from CS:GO to league this year and I was super toxic. I was surprised when I got chat restricted. With the things I said, I cant believe i thought it was acceptable to say something like that. All because I came from an unmoderated game.

Shrek Luigi12/9/2019, 6:09:13 PM8 votes

The first amendment does not give one the right to say whatever they want--on any platform & in any context--without punishment. Freedom of speech is defined as being free to express an opinion without persecution or suppression of one's government, and is not a rationale for hate speech.

Over the last decade, various groups have tried to create their own platforms/hijack other platforms to recirculate stuff like hate-speech "in the name of free speech", but it is a gross misinterpretation of the law & more about signal-boosting controversial material--particularly in this age where many, if not most, platforms are not regulated to scale of the services they provide--rather than protecting people's rights. platforms like YouTube and Facebook are particularly vulnerable because there is no bonfide user-authentication that guarantees that an account belongs to a person who they say they are, and the degree of anonymity these services can provide to an otherwise legitimate userbase has proven to be an extremely volatile societal mix.

Sempermalum12/9/2019, 4:26:40 PM5 votes

People do have exactly the same freedom of speech in video games as they do anywhere else. If you start acting like a toxic a-hole in any business setting you will be asked to leave or be banned from the property, why do you think the rules should be different simply because its virtual property?

Phoenixdust12/9/2019, 4:05:12 PM2 votes

In my opinion you should be allowed to say whatever you want IFF your "audience" has a (not too much effort) way to ignore it.

So for example in LoL you should be allowed to say anything INGAME, since everyone has the mute button, and if he is not interested he can mute. But he should not be allowed to say anything in the post game screen (Why aren't mutes carried over from the game is still a question? O.o ), since you can not mute the person there.

LightswornLance12/9/2019, 4:28:59 PM2 votes

Yes it absolutely should. Especially in a video game people play for fun and competition, freedom of speech should be upheld. [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

MordridtheBlack12/9/2019, 5:32:24 PM1 votes

with in reason

the issue is the not all games are marketed solely towards the American audience especially league

hate speech/racial slurs, death threats/telling someone to kys, etc shouldn't be allowed at all

even if you have the freedom of speech that doesn't mean that everything you say isn't going to effect someone else

and context doesn't mean anything, if I make fun of a friend and they know i'm joking, that doesn't mean the other people i'm playing with know that

Hypochondria912/9/2019, 4:24:40 PM1 votes

In video games I think it's ok to ban certain language but platforms like Facebook and Twitter should not be able to. I don't care how offensive someone is they have the right to express themselves and debate their ideas. If you are so confident in your ideals you should be able to argue in favour of them, by silencing an opposing argument you are just becoming more ignorant towards it.

STEG012/9/2019, 11:44:34 PM1 votes

Free speech should be practiced everywhere and in all situations, it's an enlightened achievement of humanity that we can be proud of. The only exception is certain topics around minors, and since LoL is a teen rated game this could apply. Anyone that thinks they can rationalize a reason why free speech is bad, while possibly having good intentions, is set on a path that will eventually lead to horrors and oppression with enough momentum.

Akaash12/10/2019, 2:45:16 AM1 votes

You do have freedom of speech in league.

You do not have freedom from consequences.

The only games that explicitly prevent freedom of speech are ones that prevent you from posting if you use certain phrases (neopets and profanity) and ones that only allow you do use preselected dialogue text (I think disney's toontown did this, not sure though).

AeroWaffle12/10/2019, 3:15:38 AM1 votes

No, you should not be allowed to say anything in videogames.

Individual video games are owned, maintained, and operated by private organizations. Just as a store owner is allowed to deny service based on breaking the behavioral rules of the establishment a video game company is allowed to do the same.

There some argument with Google or Youtube censorship but those argument stem from the foundation that those platforms have a monopoly with their respective services and they are often essential to many for their livelihood. No video game is a monopoly nor is any video game essential to someones livelihood.

The idea is if the service is neither essential nor a monopoly then if the company does something immoral or to the detriment of their customers, the customers can/will simply choose to not give their business to that company. This provides incentive for the company to not do those things for the sake of keeping customers.

This allows companies the ability to deny service to those that are destructively malicious while encouraging them to only use this power when necessary to avoid losing customers in a PR nightmare.

ZenithEevee12/10/2019, 3:20:06 AM1 votes

Should "Freedom of Speech" Be allowed in Games.... You see, There Is An equal argument for and against it, But i'm gonna have to say that games themselves should have a "Freedom of Speech" As they are framing devices just like Movies, Paintings and Songs, But i do not believe we should have "Freedom of speech" Within games.

Now, While yes, Freedom of Speech is a fairly closed loop in meaning as its basically the freedom to say whatever you want with no legal ramifications, And honestly that is a fair rule, However we need to understand that there is this point of "Focus" on what a game wants.

If a game is labeled for children... Like MLP Online, or Wizard101, Then no, Freedom of speech shouldn't be allowed because a lot of topics are too mature for children, Be it violence in as graphic detail as we love to subscribe to, Or generally sensual themes. And honestly... Even in some more mature games, I still believe the right should sit second to whats being expected of the people.

TouchpadExpert12/10/2019, 8:24:49 AM1 votes

I can only think of one example where censorship should be used and that is hate groups. Hate Groups (Westboro Baptists, NeoNazi Groups) use their free speech to threaten other peaceful subgroups into being silent or use their free speech to incite violence as way of wiping the other subgroups out of existence. On the other end of the spectrum are Authoritarian governments who prevent certain ideas from being heard because it isn't in agreement with their political ideologies. That's extreme and counter productive to fostering cultural growth.

Most of the displays of free speech that I have seen are uncomfortable to some people, but the speaker usually just wants to be heard. Their goal is to voice their opinion and maybe have a few of their listeners give their words some thought. The speaker cannot force people to listen to them if they don't want to and the listener shouldn't prevent them from being heard if they aren't being disruptive in any obnoxious kind of way.

Youtube has been going overboard with demonetizing any content creators they deem "problematic." I have a few subscribed channels who create content based around pocket knives and medieval weaponry. The pocket knife channels always teach their viewers "this is a tool, not a weapon" and instruct safe handling of the knives while the sword channels demonstrate proper handling, safety and direct the audience on where to go for becoming trained in proper handling. Neither of them promote violent usage of the swords or knives in question (pocket knives are crappy weapons anyway) and yet youtube finds them problematic and as a way of getting them to leave, they have forbidden them from getting funded. This is problematic because these content creators are part of the solution to weapon violence and silencing them is counter-intuitive. It should be taught that guns and knives do have a purpose as a tool and shouldn't be used as a weapon. Promoting ignorance isn't an effective way of combating unwanted behaviors. You need to promote proper behaviors if you want to change the bad actors in the situation.

Video games are a gray area. I grew up with Modern Warfare lobbies where people would say the nastiest things to one another in the spirit of competitiveness and then I moved on from that to League of Legends where people would type out the nastiest things to one another, again in the spirit of competitiveness. Personally, I never engaged in it. Its one thing to say horrible things, its another to act on it. 10+ years ago it was just words, Swatting wasn't a thing back then, people didn't dox each other, any threats that were made went unfulfilled. Now people act on those threats and those threats need to be taken seriously. Too many psychopaths are ruining it for the majority of the people out there. Censorship really doesn't solve the issue though. Preventing them from saying n***** will just make them use a different slang word to incite their target into getting angry. I don't feel that its effective at culling the root of the problem.

I don't know search engine censorship very well at all. The only example I know of is when google got exposed at repressing non-google affiliated results from showing up in their search engine. I guess its a way of limiting exposure to smaller/lesser known sources, which is bad as it limits progress and growth. They have since fixed it though. Are there other forms that my tired brain is overlooking at the moment?

Overlord Forneus12/10/2019, 5:42:54 PM1 votes

Honestly yea, I do believe free speech should be allowed in online games, because I want to know who exactly is an idiot as soon as they punch something into chat. And either poke fun at them, mute them... or ignore them. I mean, back in my World of Warcraft days I ran with a guild of some of the most racist people I've met... The Vent chat was something else, I'll tell ya. However, I taught myself to ignore the ignorance of those people, and raided with them... I won't say "Good times"... I'll just leave it at... "That was an experience."