"Y'know, if i was better, i would have outdueled Graves right there."
Has anyone ever said this?
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Outduel in s8? Whats that? Its all about picking the champion with the most burst damage and mashing your face for instant kills. Skill has gone down the toilet.
Edit okay fine I'll be realistic. I doubt most players say this and just blame the champion.
More like, “If I were better, I would have avoided fighting Graves right there.”
I've told myself, "Y'know, if I was better, I wouldn't have duelled Graves, I'd have noped out and given him the jungle."
Barely anybody says that when they lose to anyone, so no.
Fuck, I've even had a Riven call Janna broken when I fucking killed her 1v1 as full support after she got massively outplayed.
I mean, Graves is literally the only champion in the entire game with body blockable auto attacks.
OUTDUEL!
OMEGALUL
You have a better chance to outduel a Katarina with max stacks mejias and gunblade.
I think thats a mindset that only came in the later stages of Leagues development. In the earlier seasons, it was an accepted strategy to avoid 1 on 1 duels in unfavorable matchups, since some champions were designed to do those better.
Today, League is way more mechanical, but still, you can play everything right and still lose a fight. Some people are outraged when they can not 1v1 any Champ while playing anything. Graves might be overpowered, but this mindset is what I see alot on the boards.
2 years old, still relevant:
https://plays.tv/video/582e4db9998d50a53e/graves-problems-winions?from=user
You can make this thread about literally every champ.
But meh here you go: -Stay away from walls, his 2nd Q hits harder. -Towers, champs and minions block his AA, dance around them he cant hit you -If you can kite him, his abilities have lengthy CD his mobility is tied to how much he can attack you -avoid fights early as that's when he's strong, if he wont snowball he wont be able to get close to fights without getting blown up. -his E doesnt give him MR anymore, he's weak to AP and mages in general who can poke him from outside his range/kite him. -range in general counters him, cait, tristana, ashe and most mages can keep distance and kite easily.
Good luck
Has anyone ever said this?
Change this to Udyr and it would be hilarious meme material.
Honestly, I can't outplay Graves anymore. His smokescreen basically means I can either save Flash to flash out of it asap when he ganks or sit under tower while only coming out when Graves ganks another lane.
Does "Y'know, if my windows hadn't minimized LoL, I would have outdueled Graves right there" count?
more like, If i was better, i wouldve banned him
#sadly
You can't. 
Outduel graves ? the dude just right clicks on me lol
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That's why I'm playing Kindred right now. She might not be the superstrong jungler as the others, but you have a decent carry potential and can screw champs like Kha Zix and Graves with your ult. Kindred feels fucking satisfying right now, only thing I need to do is to ban Jax, because this champ screws me over completely...
Depends on your champ and what happened. Usually the mistake is positioning allowing him to even flank/catch you, as opposed to something you could have done differently in the fight. Usually how it goes with most junglers.
depends if there are minions to block his shots. I've done it before with characters that can walk through minions.
There's plenty of champions that can outduel him. Pretty much any juggernaut can, honestly.
If you're competent on Trundle he outduels every jungler except for 
and maybe 
I mean there's more to champion to champion interaction than just dueling an opponent, why does every counterplay people point out has to do about being able to outplay an opponent in a straight 1v1 match up? Not that I'm saying Graves is OP, I mean he's probably currently the weakest he's ever been for this version of graves, but he still manages to be OP.
I'd rather trade that armor for like a non stackable flat damage reduction for like 2 seconds, and give him a stackable slow resist. It'd make him more squishy, but since he's short range relatively, he still needs something to not get insta killed for trying to enter AA range.
Something like 5/10/15/20/25 flat damage reduction for 2 seconds upon dash, maybe 1.5 seconds And like 3/3.5/4/4.5/5% slow resist per stack up to 5 stacks
Cuz unless you got some critters nearby to block his autos, dueling Graves is a myth.