http://champion.gg/champion/Warwick/Jungle
Been in the top 5 Junglers since people learned to play him after his rework, currently sitting at 54%. His early game makes Lee Sin's look like a joke and needs to seriously be toned down.
Anatera12 votesIt's OK, he only has 2 CCs, very high damage, a dash and a movespeed buff. Other than that, totally balanced. And self healing lul.
UnboundHades9 votesmy problem with ww is if you cant burst him down in a fight then he will just heal back his hp while shredding you
Nyarlathοtep7 votesDamn i love when people only list their strengths and completely ignore their weaknesses.
Salron5 votesWow you listed out his kit Good job
Azuregore5 votesIt's OK, he only has 2 CCs, very high damage, a dash and a movespeed buff. Other than that, totally balanced. And self healing lul.
What self healing?
Humble Aatrox1 votes
Azuregore2 votes[{quoted}](name=Guardian Warwick,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=aOGotpyk,comment-id=000000030000,timestamp=2018-02-16T21:57:58.348+0000)
u forgot
I forgot bramble existed. Seriously though, any forms of grevious woulds wrecks warwick so much cause he relies on that healing to do things. Don't know why people are downvoting me for being correct..
Akali is SO HOT11 votesWarwick is overtuned atm, but his kit is well designed. He definitely needs number nerfs tho.
YumaS2Astral12 votes[{quoted}](name=Akali is SO HOT,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=aOGotpyk,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-02-16T04:10:04.068+0000)
Warwick is overtuned atm, but his kit is well designed. He definitely needs number nerfs tho.
That's what I was going to say, Warwick is well designed, and does not feel like shit to play against if he is not overtuned, which is why people dont complain about him.
It is the opposite of Yasuo, which even when very weak as a pick, is still frustrating to play against and people still complain about him.
z63XnLCMwX8 votesKit wise he is balanced. They just need to tone down his numbers a bit because any early game trades forced by the enemy makes it a 2v1 lane thanks to his blood lust passive.
Kivolan2 votesKit wise he is balanced. They just need to tone down his numbers a bit because any early game trades forced by the enemy makes it a 2v1 lane thanks to his blood lust passive.
This is one of the biggest problems of his kit, in my opinion. The bonus should scale with missing health, instead of being 35-55% flat right at 50%. Something like 10% at 50% health up to the max at 15% health.
That and remove the on-demand portion of it or drastically up the cooldown.
The Volcano2 votesIt does go up with amount of health missing at <25% it triples the speed buff.
Kivolan1 votes[{quoted}](name=The Volcano,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=aOGotpyk,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2018-02-16T19:39:03.560+0000)
It does go up with amount of health missing at <25% it triples the speed buff.
Under 20% actually, but the problem is that you hit half health and he already has a 55% move speed bonus towards you.
SEKAI6 votesWarwick is the only design from CertainlyT that isn't immediately alarming, breaking all kinds of balance, and increasing the national statistics on hair loss.
So people equate WW to be balanced.
....
But at least, WW actually feels fair for the most part. Unlike the all the other shat spewed out of CertainlyT's pocket that require tireless works from the balance team and often the other rework team (the vast majority of CT's stuff have been reworked or waiting to be reworked, even his rework jobs are getting another rework) to try and bring those shit in line.
Just think for a moment, CertainlyT actually makes Riot's balance team look good. Jesus Christ.
Illâoi Evê Siôn3 votesYeah, but his kit is balanced. If he gets too strong because of the meta or because other champions are weak, you can just nerf him a little and voilà, everything's fine again. On other champions, you still have annoying little monsters running around even if they're sitting at 40% win rate.
Cloud2732 votesYes he's definitely too strong right now. Will need to have his numbers reduced, but I think for the most part the rework was a success.
PopcornBunni2 votesTake out his idiotic auto follow on Q or at the very least make it interruptible. Such a spammable ability also granting cc immunity is beyond ridiculous and overloaded.
SwiftKitten882 votesstop saving ww is broken... he isn't... he is braindead easy yes be he isnt broken
he is stupid easy to kite... https://youtu.be/EooKwu9ETg8?t=40
Harden Stepback1 votesHes op and heals way too much
SymbolicFear1 votesmaybe for bronze players to gold he is op, but above that, he is just fine. No need to tweak him.
Kivolan8 votesmaybe for bronze players to gold he is op, but above that, he is just fine. No need to tweak him.
SymbolicFear1 votesI played warwick for a short while about a month ago. Yes he is very strong in low elo. But in higher elo, you can easily deal with him.
Vision, CC, and warwick can't exactly contest much.
Grevious wounds early destroys him no matter what he may try.
Basically, common sense kills the doggo. If you can't see that, how in the world did you get out of silver?
Kivolan1 votesI played warwick for a short while about a month ago. Yes he is very strong in low elo. But in higher elo, you can easily deal with him.
Vision, CC, and warwick can't exactly contest much.
Grevious wounds early destroys him no matter what he may try.
Basically, common sense kills the doggo. If you can't see that, how in the world did you get out of silver?
Oh, so the counters to literally every champion in the game are good against WW? Who would have thought?
Look, if he was so easy to deal with he wouldn't be sitting at the win rate he has.
Yes, his late game sucks pretty hard. But this game is in a snowball meta where games are generally over by 30 minutes.
Yes, his kit is, for the most part, pretty balanced. His numbers need to be hit pretty hard, though.
Lord Phazanor 2 votesmaybe for bronze players to gold he is op, but above that, he is just fine. No need to tweak him.
Yea maybe he's a problem for 90% of the players, so you're right, he's fine.
/s incase it wasn't clear.
SymbolicFear1 votesThey aren't going to balance the game for people who are bad to mediocre at the game, thatd be stupid beyond stupid. If you want them to, then obviously you shouldn't be playing a highly competitive game like League of Legends, its not meant to cater to the majority, its for the minority that play it in esports.
Lord Phazanor 1 votesThey aren't going to balance the game for people who are bad to mediocre at the game, thatd be stupid beyond stupid. If you want them to, then obviously you shouldn't be playing a highly competitive game like League of Legends, its not meant to cater to the majority, its for the minority that play it in esports. I'm not going to prove if it's stupid or not, since that's a matter of opinions. I'll just say that Riot stated that they don't want to balance for high Elo only. You can make your own conclusions from that.
Sire Hippington1 votesI always wondered why he wasn't used more even in proplay. Though i don't share the experience on his early, his ganks are not as easy as lee's, and he can be killed 1v1 by some junglers like Xin or Kah rather easily as he lacks base tankiness early on and has no reliable escape(the lack of escape is probably the main reason for why he rarly appears in progames)
Rootlo2 votes[{quoted}](name=Sire Hippington,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=aOGotpyk,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2018-02-16T13:18:28.093+0000)
I always wondered why he wasn't used more even in proplay. Though i don't share the experience on his early, his ganks are not as easy as lee's, and he can be killed 1v1 by some junglers like Xin or Kah rather easily as he lacks base tankiness early on and has no reliable escape(the lack of escape is probably the main reason for why he rarly appears in progames)
Because Positioning (which Adc's and Frontliners are good at in Pro play) Shuts down his ult. even if he gets an ult on an out of position Adc, and CC will stop his ult after the leap. His early clear is slower than most (marginally, but slower) His early game is also weaker than most.
With how stale and safe everyone is playing right now, he wont be able to get much use out of the passive part of his w because people will just hide if they get low in a game wit him.
Everyone will also rush Tabis which reduces all his damage by 10%
Sire Hippington1 votesHe does not need to ult the adc to be effective, his early is quite potent especially vs the popular tank junglers like seju and zac, and if his team has a lead you can just focus down whatever target his ult finds. His aoe fear and high % damage reduction also make him a generally good tank for all stages of the game.
Galgarad1 votes"makes Lee Sin's look like a joke"
Yep. That made my day! A dead Lee is a good Lee!
Hayaishi1 votesWarwick is insanely easy to kite though. Like he's just another melee. He has trouble playing from behind. Ult is easy to avoid.
He has so many weaknesses.
Arakadia3 votesI can see him being easy to kite if you have a support or tank with you, but for a lot of champions they can't keep him off. Any mage without good CC, any immobile melee, and probably most ADC's.
Okay so beyond his long term movement speed buff that will most likely let him out chase anyone in long duration chases (or even short duration), his Q is going to not only pull him a short bit to you, but also keep onto you if you do dash, AND bring him to the other side of you. So while his Q doesn't make him super mobile, he can effectively double the dash distance by going to your other side which is most likely your safer side (towers, team, your base etc.).
Than he's got his fear. His fear lasts long enough and with how bursty he is, a warwick who is ahead could possibly kill a squishy with a Q>E2> basic attack+hydra+Q before your fear breaks. This is potentially where he needs to be tuned down. He can be really bursty which afaik is out of his nature and not intended unless he is extremely ahead.
For warwick though just in case you did somehow elude him with constant movement speed, a short distance closer, and a fear to keep you from running away or fighting back, he's got his ultimate which can reach some very powerful ranges. Even if he misses, his ultimate can be the difference between him getting to your or not. But if he does hit, for squishies and many bruisers it can be the kiss of death.
Saying Warwick is hard to kite isn't fair when he is pretty much a diver like Vi. Every single one of his active abilities is a tool to get into the fight and keep onto enemies. He's got tools built into his kit that allow him to stay into the fray of a team fight (such as passive healing, Q burst healing, E damage reduction, ult healing). So I very much think he is a diver.
Again me listing out his kit isn't an argument for him being overpowered. Its an argument for him being difficult to kite and playing similarly to a diver. And for a diver, he seems to have pretty low cooldowns (except for his W which is not a mid combat ability but can provide combat buffs even when its off cooldown) and not enough down time for melees.
Potentially one of his issues is that he is very good at getting to ranged champions and sticking to them whilst being able to duel melees just as effectively, especially with his E which forces melee's to disengage or do much less damage and than be feared.
Riot also might want to take a look at his early game, seeing as he doesn't have a particularly weak spot during the game's whole duration.
Well anyones I disagree that Warwick is hard to kite. This post turned out longer than I intended but oh well.
TyroneWatermelon1 votesthey need to remove the option to auto teleport the target with Q after they blinked(aka flashed). 99% of these scenarios happen by random and not by skill or timing, it just ruins the pacing.
PokladnicaZla1 votesHe was pretty balanced on release,but got overtuned with the rune rework.
Humble Aatrox1 votespick 
or 
makes him into a sad puppy
Harden Stepback1 votesbump
blaze master21 votesget executioners and hes fucked lmao
