Please make Sigil a Skillshot

Owntrolf··4 votes·620 views

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Slamurai Jack3 votes

Immediately the worst champion in the game.

TheyCallMeDaKing1 votes

As a leblanc main I agree unless they add back the silence and make it fast but still have some counter play. But i will have a small bias since i do main her.

Seenan2 votes

Or make her ult cost mana relative to the spell.

TheyCallMeDaKing1 votes

As a Leblanc main i say that would be fair but not relative to the spell maybe make it cost mana but low cost something like 100 @ all ranks. That is my opinion but I will say I have a small bias since i do main her.

Sariat11 votes

But. That would make Leblanc be counterable. And Riot doesn't like things that are counterable.

67chrome1 votes

I'd really rather that didn't happen.

Mostly because skillshots tend to have ~50% more range than point-click skills. Get stuck with Vayne's 550 range and point-click still puts you in a lot of danger and gives decent risk, turn things into skillshots and you wind up with Lux/Ziggs/Xerath/Nidalee levels of safety where the only downside of attempting to trade with your bread-and-butter skill is it costs mana.

Considering LeBlanc's amazing mobility and fairly solid range as-is, I don't see how giving her even greater safety would help. Especially seeing as skillshots allow you to smack someone in brush, fog-of-war, stealth, and are amazing to use when you're kiting backwards as just a 600 range skillshot with a 0.5 second travel time will effectivly be a 800 range skillshot vs. someone running at you with 400 movement speed. In many cases skillshots are arguably better than point-click skills and changing a wide range of skills into skillshots is an overall buff.

Also: making such a change would make LeBlanc really awkward in regards to her power-curve with different levels of skill in the player-base, making her extreemly difficult and frustrating to use well: and then become extreemly difficult and frustrating to play against once she is used well.

If LeBlanc were changed: I'd much rather see her changed in a way that lowers her burst but gives her sustained damage. ATM she's mostly burst one and done, placing her in an awkward position where a typical marksman, assassin, mage, or fighter has enough power in auto-attacks, area-effect, or resets to take out ~50% of an enemy team's collective health when played well. LeBlanc being hard-capped at 1/5th of the enemy team's collective health and facing situations where anyone else would get a Pentakill when she does approach 50% contorts her into this awkward position where she really needs to reliably delete someone to even function, which does really missleading things regarding LeBlanc's KDA and contribution. In general: A Legendary LeBlanc is about the same problem as anyone else being on a killing spree, and LeBlanc's lack of team-fight power and team-fight carry potential makes her put offensive items to a pretty unimpressive gold to power level, forcing LeBlanc to have more kills and more items than anyone else to really have the same impact. Problems which you'd mostly exaggerate with turning Sigil into a skillshot rather than tone down.

Kodyack1 votes

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the thing is her targeted 1200 damage nukes are the worst to play against; there's no counterplay to it if she is in range, she hits her free damage and W's back. if it was a skillshot, she'd need to position better for one, also you're making the assumption she'd get buffed range in addition to this change, that is not the suggestion at all.

that being said, i don't think it should be made a skillshot... i just think the "free damage reward for no risk" part should be nerfed, through damage or making it not have the second trigger if a second sigil hits (from her ult) so it takes skill to spell weave (R->W->Q->E for most damage, instead of the current W/Q->R->W/Q->E)

67chrome1 votes

also you're making the assumption she'd get buffed range in addition to this change, that is not the suggestion at all.

it happened to Ryze and Veigar when they got a point-click changed to a skillshot. More range is also the pattern pretty much every skillshot vs. point-click comparison draws. And ~550 range skillshots are pretty rare, usually only on skills with a pretty substantial AOE component.

It's very realistic to assume that if a single-target skill like Sigil was turned into a skillshot, it would see a noteworthy boost in range.

TheyCallMeDaKing1 votes

I say a range nerf as a lb main

one boosted bird1 votes

yeah leblanc is no fun to play against, feels like zero skill. if the damage was mostly on her chains and not procing off her targeted abilities i wouldnt complain as much, but the sigilsigil combo is too op.

La Barbotte1 votes

the biggest problem with sigil is that it can proc with another sigil, which make her QRW one shot combo point and click, while chosing two marks should be to mark two different champion, and not proc on itself..... but whatever

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