This has got to be changed. He gets a free zhonyas. If this doesn't change then I have some ideas for future champions.
An ADC that has a passive that allow's his crits to do 50% more damage A mage that gets 20% CDR and mana regen A Top lane brusier that gets a 300 health magic sheild and extra lifesteal for 5 seconds when his health drops below 15% see where I'm going with this?
stealthfox944 votesHey look another thread complaining about Fizz's E. Cool
Hay5eed1 votesI'm sorry? You make it sound like there is a reason to NOT complain about it.
Imagine this for me would you? Lets say Riot releases a new item that is the AD equivalent of a Zhonya's. It makes you untargetable, can be a gapcloser or an escape, and has a AOE slow+damage upon coming out of it, AND the AOE damage has a delay coming out of it so that you can flash your target to get the damage and slow off...but at the same price as Zhonya's currently is...what do you think would be preferred?
Zhonya's is a great item with a wonderful ability. While it is perfect for most mages the active on it is so strong that you sometimes see ADC's and junglers getting it to avoid themselves from getting melted.....Fizz gets an ability that is like this (or even better) for FREE.
Actually screw it. Fizz's E is better then Zhonya's...flat out. If I were a mid-lane mage with 3000 gold and I could buy a zhonya's or Fizz's E I would pick Fizz's E every time. How can 120 AP and 50 AR make up for an ability that can go off every 8 seconds, lets you jump walls, and even does damage
stealthfox941 votesIt's just getting REALLY old. Nothing you just said in those three paragraphs is something that hasn't been said a MILLION times on these boards.
Fisherman Fízz2 votesI don't think it's changing any time soon, it has been like that since Fizz release 4.5 years ago. Maybe they do something when they work assassins on preseason 7.
Hay5eed1 votesJust because it is unlikely for Riot to change it doesn't mean that it is wrong for fans to bring it up. Fizz has gotten zero attention on how BS and overloaded his kit is. Sure a lot of assassins have a safe assassination plan, but Fizz has a Safe assassination AND a safe escape.
Hell, remember when Riot took away Hecarim's passive to be able to walk through minions cause it was unfair for Hecarim to chase down foes that can't run away cause of creep block? Guess what Fizz has?
Hell he has an ability that gives him TWO DOT's??? What the fuck? Why the hell does he need TWO DOT's? It's such a screw-you ability. If it ISN'T on, he has a DOT on his auto's, if it IS on, he has an even STRONGER DOT on his autos that do % missing health magic damage....just what the fuck?
We've already talked about playful trickster
And then there is his ult. A "skill shot" that even when you miss it still zone's the enemy. They can even pick it up on accident if you miss. It has an slow, a damage ramp on his other abilties, and a AOE knock up.
This is a really strong damn kit. It's too freaking strong. All I'm asking is to take away his ability to go untargetable. Maybe replace it with a hop ability that deals AOE damage and slows whoever is hit by the AOE, kinda like a gnar jump.
But when a Fizz get's a goddamn zhonya's, which will happen every damn game cause AD fizz is now unviable, it's just stupid. Not only does he have a bit or armor and AP, but he has TWO ways to prevent ALL damage to himself.
Dracocrash1 votesif you are an adc build maw/qss , if you are a mage build zhonya and press zhonya when he tries to kill you in a teamfight. It will negate his ult if he lands it and ur team can folow up. was that hard? TLDR: just because u got rekt by a fizz doesn't mean he is op.
Hay5eed1 votesZhonya's has a 90 second cd. Fizz's ult can have a 40 second CD at max rank with 45% cdr. Fizz doesn't need ult to kill you. Zhonya's makes you spend a lot of gold for armor stats, which is nearly useless against Fizz. Fizz can be untargetable every 4 seconds. Fizz can move with his E, you can't move with a Zhonya's. If Fizz tries to kill you and you Zhonya's, unless you have a whole team there to back you up, or you are under tower, then you are just prolonging your death because as soon as you come out you will be assassinated
Also I'm reading Fizz's wiki and it says something about how Fizz's ult will do damage to untargetable champions? I don't think that is true but can anyone shine light on that?
Dracocrash1 votesAlso I'm reading Fizz's wiki and it says something about how Fizz's ult will do damage to untargetable champions? I don't think that is true but can anyone shine light on that?
Untargetable and invulnerable arent the same thing. zhonya makes you invulnerable.
Zhonya's makes you spend a lot of gold for armor stats,
you have a fair point. But, armor is never bad as there is always one adc in the game. And in the current 69 adc meta its definitely good. p.s Abyssal is also decent against him.
. If Fizz tries to kill you and you Zhonya's, unless you have a whole team there to back you up, or you are under tower, then you are just prolonging your death because as soon as you come out you will be assassinated
If you correctly zhonya fizz ult + his E or his WQ (its not hard,) fizz will only have one damage spell up to kill you which gives you time to either re position or CC/kill him.
Zhonya's has a 90 second cd. Fizz's ult can have a 40 second CD at max rank with 45% cdr.
Stawmans argument, If your zhonya is down, back away from fizz. Or punish him the first time for diving you and loosing 2 spells to zhonyas. Of course his team can capitalize on the fact that you are mis-positioned if you zhonya and they are close enough. But the same can be said about your team punishing fizz. So that comes down to skill. What im trying to say is zhonya is not an item that will make you win for sure. It gives you tools that allows you to win. Depending on how well you use zhonya you can either fuck yourself or fuck fizz.
Succubús GF2 votesStrange that you neglect to realize it is his escape. Or his engage. What else does he have to escape with? Seriously this post is the epitome of a lack of common sense. "A free zhonyas" Okay? Yasuo gets a free banshees veil then with his w? Like seriously what are you crying about? He has counterplay. Learn about it
Hay5eed1 votesSo what is it about Urchin Strike that makes it NOT an engage? It is a targeted dash that applies mixed damage plus on hit effects. His Q is the most reliable to gap close since it is a targeted dash that can only target enemies. It can rarely be used to escape. I don't have a problem with this ability.
So I guess that what I am saying is that Fizz has TWO engage/disengages. His Q on a 3.5 seconds cooldown at 45% CDR, and his E on 4.5 second cooldown at 45% cdr. At least Zed ONLY has one ability that can be used as a gapcloser OR escape. Talon does break this rule cause he has a targeted blink and his ult can be used to escape OR initate...but a lot of champs have either a gapclose, or an escape, some are lucky to have both in one ability, Fizz has two abilities, one that is best as an initiate, and one that is best as an escape, but can also be used for the opposite purpose.
Yasou does NOT get a free banshees veil. I don't get what you even mean by this. The effect of banshees veil is a spell shield that parries any spell effects. Yasou gets a fixed health shield that does NOT parry spell effects. He can still be stunned, knocked up, slowed, rooted, snared, feared, suppressed, silenced, and blinded.
Also, in the grand scheme of things, which is better? Getting a flat health shield every...3 seconds? (depending on if you are good at attack-moving) or going untargetable every 4 seconds? Guess which one I'm going to pick.
Succubús GF1 votesSo what is it about Urchin Strike that makes it NOT an engage? It is a targeted dash that applies mixed damage plus on hit effects. His Q is the most reliable to gap close since it is a targeted dash that can only target enemies. It can rarely be used to escape. I don't have a problem with this ability. I do recall saying ESCAPE as well. Urchin strike can hardly be considered an escape. Seriously how late in the game is it to get 45 cdr? 30 minutes? If you let him get 45% that is your own fault. Doesnt make him op. Also Yasuo DOES. I was referring to his wind wall. Not his stupid af double passive. His wind wall, Fiora's riposte. Seriously there are quite a few champions that get their own form of freebie escape. Did you notice riven technically has 4 escapes? Not including flash? LOL his e at MAX cooldown is maybe 4 seconds. But seriously once he has it on cooldown early game he is screwed. Have you played fizz? It is sucha long cooldown which is why cdr is in his favor so much. But I bet you won't complain about Karma getting her ult every 20 seconds, or leblanc for that matter.
Hay5eed1 votesOk first of all Yasou's windwall doesn't block EVERYTHING....granted it does block A LOT and a lot of what it does block is bs but it still is not everything. Also unlike Banshee's Veil it does have to be activated and even aimed. Don't get me wrong this ability is BS in general i just don't really see the realation between BV and Wind wall.
Also, unlike Fizz, if Yasuo gets 45% CDR, it is put on a 9ish second cooldown. Also unlike Fizz and Zhonya's, BV isn't strictly advantageous to yasuo players. I have never seen Yasuo's build it. On top of that BV is just a pretty easy item to play around and is easily proc-ed when you want it to. Need to stun him but he has BV? Try and hit him with one of your other spells to proc it first and then CC him.
And dude. Look at my match history. Am I a Riven main? no. This means that I know just how BS her kit is. With four escapes, a knock up, an AOE stun, a shield that scales off of AD, and an Execute ranged ult, yeah Riven is bs, but just because Riven is BS doesn't meant hat Fizz isn't. Like seriously they aren't even playing in the same lane
Fiora's ripsote is also BS because it counters ALL abilites which means that, as Bard, I can never ult Fiora because she would parry it. She can parry a Karthus ult. She can parry ignite...just wtf?
EndlessSorcerer1 votesA mage that gets 20% CDR and mana regen
Compared to Cassiopeia's passive, that seems pretty weak. She gets healing (
), damage amplification (
) and more CDR on top of that.
Dracocrash1 votesThis has got to be changed. He gets a free zhonyas.
Zhonya makes you invulnerable. Fizz E makes you untargetable. Both have very different durations. One has a 130 mana cost attached to it while another has a 90s cd. Interesting comparison.
If i use your logic i can say->
A mage that gets 20% CDR and mana regen
Mana regen? 
FRee cdr? 
300 health magic sheild
extra lifesteal for 5 seconds
I do not see where you are going with this.
Hay5eed1 votesNote I did not merley say that they have ONE aspect of this, but BOTH aspects combined. Basically what I am saying is that a mage would get a morellelnomicon as a passive, instead of having to buy one.
The 300 health magic sheild with bonus lifesteal for 5 seconds was supposed to be a Steraks Gage...do-doi. Why must you ignore my very implicit and deliberate use of the word "and"?
Dracocrash1 votessteraks gage....? do you mean maw of malmortious? And you conviniently ignored the first part of my statement. note: I am merely using your logic by avoiding the word and. If you read my comment you have used faulty logic to compare fizz E and zhonya, and im using YOUR faulty logic to do the same. Read what i wrote properly.