Players going against Pyke should see their execution marker

Hay5eed··56 votes·15,628 views

Riot has dedicated themselves to readability in League. Almost every champion with an execute has some sort of marker that tells enemy players what is going to happen and a chance to do something about it (heal, zhonyas, etc).

Zed - Ult marker changes when it will kill you Chogath - A red, toothy, ring will appear at your feet when his ult will kill you Garen - Giant glowing icon to let you know that you are the villain and his attacks will do true damage Darius - Drops of blood and sound effects lets you know when his passive has reached max stacks

Considering that Pyke's ult ignores resistances and shields I think it is important for players to know when they can be killed by it to give them a chance to play a little more safe.

Also take into account that the execution marker for Pyke can vary greatly game to game and player to player. For me? I build resistances on Pyke, so my ult executes targets at around 10% health..which is very readable. Full AD Pyke builds on the other hand will be able to execute at a much higher health state, and I think enemy players should be able to see this without having to check his build by tabbing or clicking on him.

42 Comments

Sewer Side7 votes

Cho’Gaths indictator only shows for Cho dude.

Darius shows his max ult damage, not whether it will execute you.

Your examples are trash.

Pyke Rabugento1 votes

Finally someone gets it. +1

ReshiKillim5 votes

That'd be a major nerf to Pyke, tbh.

Hay5eed32 votes

Yeah, cause letting enemy players know when you can delete them hurts your strength.

I'm sorry about that, but if the majority of Pyke's strength comes from players not knowing his strength then I think that is a flaw in his design. Riot has said before that if a champion has a certain aspect to themselves that is strong and powerful that other players should be able to see that and right now Pyke doesn't follow that rule

IcyPepper3 votes

That's fair.

Daedric Etwahl1 votes

Honestly I think Pyke's ult should have a telegraph, but at the same time I feel a little bad for the guy because EVERYTHING he does is telegraphed to hell and back. His stealth has those shark fins around when he's near. His stun is delayed as heck, and not only does his Q have a very loud sound effect, but he gets a great big CHANNELING above his head when he's doing it

Like, I dont exactly think they should remove these things, but man, poor guy

PICKLE RICK REEE1 votes

Exactly. I think that's also fair for Kha'zix's Isolation but that's just me.

Unstoppable Monk5 votes

Just dodge his ult.

RavenMagus5 votes

Zed - ult execution is point and click then a delay
Chogath - true damage ult execution is point and click
Garen - true damage ult execution is point and click Darius - true damage ult execution is point and click Pyke - true damage ult execution is a strange AOE with a visible marker and a brief delay that can be dodged or missed

Seems fine to me.

ninjaroxas4 votes

Its also ranged

Pyke Rabugento4 votes

Ahm... as Cho'Gath, only he can see the execution mark.

As Zed will appear a shuriken above their head if the damage will do =< current HP. As Garen (I'm not so sure about this one), only you can see the big glowing sword when your ult will execute. Not saying that only Garen sees the Villian. As Darius, he doesn't have an execute mark, only a 5-stack mark. As Urgot, his ult will execute if the target is =< 25% HP, and the mark is (I'm not sure about this one as well) only visible by his teammates.

EDIT: Also Pyke's ult is a skillshot, it can be missed.

Hay5eed2 votes

And zed's ult requires him to do damage to you AFTER it, Urgots ult requires a skill shot to land, even Darius's ult can be dodged if you time a flash just right

Pyke Rabugento1 votes

Zed is a point and click Ult, the final damage amplifies whenever you deal damage to that champion within the next 3~ seconds after you marked. Urgot can throw away his ult first, the second cast is the one that matters. IF you got hit by his ult, you have to be careful dropping to 25% HP because of the second cast, not his first. Darius' ult is a point and click, simple.

Yets42401 votes

Garens mark is visible to everyone, and grows larger when they are killable by the ult alone, as it is literally the villain mark itself.

Pyke Rabugento1 votes

I know the mark is visible for everyone, just not sure if the glowing sword (Ult will execute) is visible for everyone. I might had miss-write it.

Father Bard2 votes

you're forgetting Urgot, he doesn't have a marker, and Zed's only let's you know it will pop not how much dmg it deals

BrightWîngs14 votes

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you're forgetting Urgot, he doesn't have a marker, and Zed's only let's you know it will pop not how much dmg it deals

when the shrunken is above you head that means you are dead unless you heal or get shielded

Strawberrycocoa1 votes

I've honestly never caught that, battlefield is usually too hectic to see that kind of a detail for me.

Votable Jester1 votes

If you play mid, you're well aware of that icon haha.

Hay5eed8 votes

But Urgot's ult can only execute when you are below 25% hp and will never scale.

BobaFlautist4 votes

Also if Urgot can kill you you're basically dead of his ult is already on you. If it isn't, his ult also does damage for hitting you. No real situation where knowing the threshold helps you avoid dying.

Z3Sleeper1 votes

Also Urgot does actually show a big red mark on targets at 25% or below. Dunno if enemies can see it or not.

Charm With parm1 votes

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you're forgetting Urgot, he doesn't have a marker, and Zed's only let's you know it will pop not how much dmg it deals

urgots is the same every game though. Once you've died to a few urgot ults, you can basically guess the general thresh hold that will kill you almost every time. I mean when i get hit by his ult, my guess of when i will get executed is usually correct.

Z3Sleeper1 votes

Urgot actually does show a big red target on you when you're in execute range. Also it's a non-variable 25% health threshold.

Zed's mark also changes form when a kill is guaranteed.

YoRHa 2B2 votes

When playing as Zed and enemy have shuriken above their head, it means that you can get AD from them. Or I don't know what are you talking about

iPooUnicorns2 votes

IIRC Zed's mark shows champions that will increase your AD bonus from killing them while ulted, or shows who will give you the most AD from killing them with utl.

My Waifu Vanilla1 votes

There are 2 markers. There is one at ALL times on whoever gives an upgrade to his ult passive. The other is AFTER he ults you there is a horizontal spinning shuriken thingy over their head that signifies your work is done.

Serrathen2 votes

This might be a little late to the party, but for anyone that still looks at this post:

When Pyke goes into his Ghostwater Dive and your health is below the thresh hold, his normal proximity music will sound much louder and scarier to indicate he can execute you. But this is only when he's in his GhostDive :P so just an fyi

EmpressOfBeauty1 votes

Same for Evelynn . She had crosses on champions she can execute. If she has it visible Pyke should too.

Jesus is Savior3 votes

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Same for Evelynn . She had crosses on champions she can execute. If she has it visible Pyke should too.

No she doesn't. She has crosses on champions who will take bonus damage. It doesn't always kill them.

Bârd1 votes

I mean, if you're under 30% health, the odds of you surviving an 850 (+150% AP) nuke are slim.

Not technically an execution marker, but most of the time it winds up being that.

EmpressOfBeauty1 votes

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No she doesn't. She has crosses on champions who will take bonus damage. It doesn't always kill them.

True but the damage is greatly increased and most of rhe time if they aren't a tank it is a kill, from my experience with it.

Al Havoc1 votes

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Same for Evelynn . She had crosses on champions she can execute. If she has it visible Pyke should too.

Im pretty sure only she could see them, im a pyke main, if i see this added to him i better see it on eve lmfao

ninjaroxas1 votes

Well in fairness Her's doesn't mean it will kill, just that it deals more damage

EmpressOfBeauty1 votes

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Im pretty sure only she could see them, im a pyke main, if i see this added to him i better see it on eve lmfao

The enemies can see them too

Cosnirak1 votes

If nothing else the comments in this thread make it clear that a lot of people don't understand some of the information the game is giving them. A bunch of people shouldn't be in such disagreement about how all this stuff works. Riot really needs to do a clarity pass on this kind of thing to make sure stuff works the same when that makes sense, and is being clear in the first place regardless.

The Space Cowboy1 votes

I like this post. Executes in general aren't my thing and feel worse to die to than a nuke skill shot by far. While we're at it let's give this treatment to Urgot's R and maybe even slow his projectile time.

Acheron161 votes

I completely agree.

When Garen ult deals true damage you have a villain marker on you When Darius stacks his passive you know he can ult ofr massive damage When Kha'Zix has you Isolated it shows an aura around him

Pyke gets you 1HP below threshold? Boom, near instant execute with reset.

I think this would be a good "nerf" and in exchange he could get a bit more flexibility.

Z3Sleeper1 votes

Garen's Villain icon also flashes and changes form when his ult can execute you.

Jerry SeinfeId1 votes

more importantly his team should see it. AFAIK they don't, i asked my adc why they didn't let me ult and said they didn't see the marker i see.

Emerald Fang1 votes

Execution markers are incredibly inconsistent anyway, some champions have them and some don't. Maybe this would help a bit, but for example Veigar doesn't give you a warning about when his ult will kill you. It doesn't even give him one.

Hay5eed1 votes

Yes, but at least that is fair since NONE of you TRULY knows for sure if it will kill

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