Newsflash for Junglers

OtterlyLost·Jul 8, 2018·4 votes·1,963 views

You have the most influential role in the fucking game. Can you not goddamn squander it by AFK farming in your jungle?! Your job isn't just PVE.

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Ch1efBeefQueefJul 8, 20186 votes

This post is redundant as all the junglers who are guilty of this are too busy afk farming to read it.

Gay DadsJul 8, 20184 votes

Big boy lost his promo :/

OtterlyLostJul 8, 20182 votes

*girl.

And no, I lost three regular matches in a row because my jungler seems to think that its okay to just AFK farm for the entirety of the match

Gay DadsJul 8, 20183 votes

I'm just fucking with you. Everyone gets bad teammates sometimes. But if you know that jungle's the most influential role, then you should try it out instead of laning. The whole reason I switched to jungle a few years ago was because I was also tired of getting shitters lol

Ch1efBeefQueefJul 8, 20184 votes

unfortunately he is right, long time jungler here (since season 2) and i can attest to the fact that if you want a useful jungler, you have to be the jungler.

Not to say that all junglers are droolers, but if you want something done right, do it yourself as they say.

OtterlyLostJul 9, 20181 votes

I've played jungle off and on for a while now; I played it a lot in season 5 but that was before they reworked or changed everything. :/ now all of my best junglers are pretty crap though I have considered playing it instead of ADC, especially with Kindred rebuffed.

Ch1efBeefQueefJul 10, 20182 votes

If you need any help or tips you can add me on league. I help people all the time with jungling and other things, its actually the only thing i find worthwhile doing in this game anymore.

OtterlyLostJul 11, 20181 votes

I might hit you up on that. ADC is gutted and too hard to carry from right now. :(

xxxDogmanxxxJul 9, 20184 votes

Newsflash for Laners: Not the jungler's job to win your lane for you. Yes, Junglers are in a good position to influence lanes, but that isn't their job. Jungler's job is literally, and I do mean LITERALLY, to more efficiently get the team as much gold as possible by not taking lane resources and instead getting jungle gold and jungle objectives.

xXRaichopXxJul 9, 20181 votes

This

People don't understand that jungle creeps are very important, especially when you're playing a jungler that requires you to powerfarm until a certain level.

OtterlyLostJul 9, 20181 votes

Actually, sometimes it is the jungler's job to win the lane for you; the point if junglers is to be there to apply or relieve pressure as necessary. If you see your lane, particularly bot lane, is shoved in and got hard core counter picked, ignoring them while you clear your gromp on the opposite side of the map will inevitably lead to your loss. Or even worse, if you know the enemy jungler is around there or has ganked them and you dont make any efforts to relieve the pressure and get them back into the game, that is also your fault.

Its not rocket science that if the lane closest to the strongest and most important objective is getting dicked on, you no longer have any objective control over that. You're literally giving up drake pressure and control because you're an incapable player who literally believes your only job is to clear the small camps in your jungle and nothing else.

Jungle is the most influential role in the game for a specific reason and it's not because they clear out those pesky jungle camps. It's because they're intended to be the manager of the macro and the pressure on the map. If clearing the camps in your jungle is all you think your job is then god help me if I get you as a jungler. Because you clearly dont understand the intricacies of your job. A good jungler knows where to be on the map at all times based on what objectives are up and where the enemy jungler is and how much pressure and control his lanes have. A good jungler does not believe his only job is to farm his camps and that archaic bullshit idea needs to die in a hole.

Critmaster GarenJul 10, 20182 votes

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Newsflash for Laners: Not the jungler's job to win your lane for you. Yes, Junglers are in a good position to influence lanes, but that isn't their job. Jungler's job is literally, and I do mean LITERALLY, to more efficiently get the team as much gold as possible by not taking lane resources and instead getting jungle gold and jungle objectives.

i dont think you really understand how jungle gold and xp work.

if youre farming the jungle and dont gank, and compare your gold and xp advantage to a jungler who only farms specific camps and nonstop camps lanes, then your gold and xp advantage is miniscule.

in this meta, youre literally trolling when you dont gank, because if youre farming, youre wasting your fucking time.

and by the way. remember this sentence "its not my job to win your lane" the next time you get invaded and your allies dont come running to help you out. if its not your job to win their lane, its not their job to win yours either.

Bears Dont CareJul 10, 20182 votes

Did critmaster Garen use an alt to make this topic? It looks incredibly similar to the one he made.

Critmaster GarenJul 10, 20181 votes

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Did critmaster Garen use an alt to make this topic? It looks incredibly similar to the one he made.

no i didnt. this just caught my eye because the same problem pissed me off after my previous games.

one game i get spam ganked by a lee sin and can barely keep up in cs and the fucker doesnt even fall behind, the next game i get a nocturne on my team who makes the game by doing exactly the same.

its fucking ridiculous right now. i remember people asking for higher camp spawn rates exactly because of this problem before they fucked around with scuttles and solved nothing.

Bears Dont CareJul 11, 20181 votes

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no i didnt. this just caught my eye because the same problem pissed me off after my previous games.

one game i get spam ganked by a lee sin and can barely keep up in cs and the fucker doesnt even fall behind, the next game i get a nocturne on my team who makes the game by doing exactly the same.

its fucking ridiculous right now. i remember people asking for higher camp spawn rates exactly because of this problem before they fucked around with scuttles and solved nothing.

Well yeah. Lee sin can traverse the jungle faster than the majority. He farms quickly and can gsnk repeatedly after because it is Lee sin.

If you notice, the jungle Rd you complain are ganking you can do two things. Farm fast. Gsnk often.

You don't see such an issue with other jungle camps because they are slow in clearing or need to farm more than gank.

Look at the issue holistically rather than focus on how it affects you in such a narrow way. Junglers overall don't like the issues but at the same time, demanding jungles spend their time farming rather than ganking means they might as well be in lane since the gold and experience would be better.

Critmaster GarenJul 11, 20181 votes

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Well yeah. Lee sin can traverse the jungle faster than the majority. He farms quickly and can gsnk repeatedly after because it is Lee sin.

If you notice, the jungle Rd you complain are ganking you can do two things. Farm fast. Gsnk often.

You don't see such an issue with other jungle camps because they are slow in clearing or need to farm more than gank.

Look at the issue holistically rather than focus on how it affects you in such a narrow way. Junglers overall don't like the issues but at the same time, demanding jungles spend their time farming rather than ganking means they might as well be in lane since the gold and experience would be better.

junglers have a full one and a half minute between camp clears to do whatever the fuck they want.

thats the problem and nothing else.

if i want to roam and gank as a laner, i have to plan ahead, shove in a wave or proxy it to buy myself 30 seconds to make a play and get back to my lane before the wave crashes into the tower.

if ANY laner would just leave and spam gank a lane for a full minute, he would fall so far behind that he would be fucked. there is no reason junglers get to do this shit.

the spawn rates should be increased to reduce their windows for ganks.

Bears Dont CareJul 11, 20181 votes

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junglers have a full one and a half minute between camp clears to do whatever the fuck they want.

thats the problem and nothing else.

Really now? Previous season, before the jungle was changed you had junglers hitting level 3 and going for a gank. They had greater gold and exp available to them and the primary complaint was how influential they were. Riot nerfed the camp respawn timers, then reduced gold AND exp, so the junglers you are dealing with are weaker than they were last season. The minute and a half to clear is usually not enough time for tank junglers to clear the entire jungle until after they have a cinderhulk buiult, during which early game is over. hence, why you see early game junglers like Lee sin out of control. They can use that whole inute and a half to be productive and interact with the other jungler and the lanes.

Back in last season where respawn timers were shorter for camps you still had junglers actively ganking lanes. Your frustration undermines your memory.

if i want to roam and gank as a laner, i have to plan ahead, shove in a wave or proxy it to buy myself 30 seconds to make a play and get back to my lane before the wave crashes into the tower.

if ANY laner would just leave and spam gank a lane for a full minute, he would fall so far behind that he would be fucked. there is no reason junglers get to do this shit.

junglers earn a third of the gold that a solo laner does, and they dont gain as much exp. When they fail a gank, or if they get killed and fall behind, they fall behind so badly that they become a free kill in the jungle if they're caught by a laner. You should be punished for not planning ahead in a solo lane. You earn much more gold and exp than a jungler ever does, the loss is greater as a result.

the spawn rates should be increased to reduce their windows for ganks.

Quiet DudeJul 11, 20182 votes

While I don’t think AFK farming is a good way to go, sometimes when your laners are absolute incompetent dumb fucks, it’s almost not worth the time if they are just gonna fuck up a gank.

Every game is different though. But if me power farming is gonna make me a more adapt carry than some Miss Fortune drooling when I come in to gank, you can bet your ass I’m leaving her to farm under turret while I make up for her dead weight.

OtterlyLostJul 11, 20181 votes

And you can lose all control over the map because of it. Good luck getting a dragon with out a bot lane to help you out.

This is a team game; people need to get over this idea of solo carrying already and actually attempt to be useful teammates. Because playing selfish like that is going to lose you the game.

If that MF is under turret, it's likely because she took one bad trade and is now unable to do anything to push out because she doesn't have flash or heal. Or worse, she's getting camped because the enemy team has a jungler who knows she's squishy, immobile and an easy target and he isn't getting punished for repeatedly ganking and diving her under her own turret.

Theres literally no excuse not to gank a pushed lane, especially if your laners haven't even died. You're just not doing your part right and leaving objectives unguarded. That MF's support, for example, cant leave tower to go ward drake. If he does, he will be leaving her weak to a dive and then they'll take dragon anywagy.

Quiet DudeJul 11, 20181 votes

I stand by what I say because I’ve done it before and I’m competent enough to make it work.

I can’t speak for other junglers. But I make it work. If some shit bird ADC isn’t going to do the job he signed up for because he’s too busy missing last hits, I’ll take over and drag his sorry butt to the finish line.

Itll be just another Tuesday. So take your carry if you aren’t gonna contribute.

P.S. I’m not petty enough to downvote your posts even though I know you’re wrong, but I appreciate the ones you give me ;-)

OtterlyLostJul 11, 20181 votes

Keep being a trash jungler then my dude. :) if your AD is struggling in lane and you're that much of a cocky, glory hounding moron to not even stop and gank and do your job as a jungler, then good on you. Also while I may be petty, I at least have the cahones to actually post using my real account.

Quiet DudeJul 11, 20181 votes

Boards cred don’t matter as much to me as it does to you, but lemme know when you get out of S5, we can play together and I’ll carry ya

Also, “cocky, glory hounding moron” is a weird way to say “guy who wins games for you because you can’t”

Pixie StormJul 11, 20181 votes

Fam, if your bot lane loses their tower and you didn't bother to gank at any point and they end up 0/3 & /02 and you ask them to help you go get a dragon they're going to tell you to buzz off. Why: Bot KNOWS that dragon cannot be contested seeing to how they have a gold lead, probably one finished item, and a jungler who the enemy team can trust because enemy jungle trusted them. An arrogant jungler who power farms because he believes that he can solo carry later in a team game is at the core what it means to be a bad jungler. A bad jungler blames his lanes for failing even when he walks by a turret with minions crashing into it while his team mate is dead. A bad jungler invades the enemy teams jg searching for a solo kill while the team is behind and needs a team fight around objectives. A bad jungler allows first turret blood to go the enemy team. My friend asks me everytime I play jungle: why are you helping them? they're on a sinking boat. I tell him, "we're on the same boat, if they go down we do too." I mean he jokes and says, well maybe we should kick them off the boat and 2v5.

Pixie StormJul 11, 20182 votes

The jungle changes have made it super hard to keep up in farm, or gank love. Personally I'll sacrifice my farm and exp to try and gank lanes, but lately balancing both is just really difficult.

OtterlyLostJul 11, 20181 votes

This I'll accept as an excuse but I still feel like, if you're going to jungle, you need to be able to at least predict where the enemy jungler will be and try to counter it. This way you dont miss out on farming much and you're still helping your laner.

Pixie StormJul 11, 20181 votes

I like watching my laners, so I won't know where the enemy jg is at all times, but if i do and I can't counter it because i wont arrive in time or im in base ill type; "jg is bot/top/going mid." it helps but yeah you do need heavy presence in order to win, so junglers are limited. You have some champions thriving like Kindred, Graves, Xin Zhao, or Sej, because of how fast she can clear, tank up, and escape and ridiculous cc.

TormentulaJul 11, 20181 votes

Their job is whatever their champion is supposed to do, not automatically what their role is; whatever you do is just you're own problem, even if it relates to what their jungler is doing.

Assuming your last game is the one you're upset about, you had 26% KP on jinx in a 38 minute game while your jungler (brand, for whatever reason.. did lee mid and brand just forget to trade?) had 61%, which is absolutely fine, but there is no excuse for 26% when the thresh you'd be next to has 70%.

Look at what you're doing first, then make rant threads.

OtterlyLostJul 11, 20181 votes

No they were trolling. And if the jungler and support didn't have high KPs then that's more of an issue than the weak and behind Jinx having a low one. Why bother grouping and missing out on farm(because I wasnt going to get any with the team) for meager assists and no peel. Furthermore, our top laner decided TP was stupid, was better off item wise and damage wise, and decided it was better for me to try and catch the waves and push them back.

And I'll remember that it's apparently not the jungler's job to help his laners when he wants help with the scuttle crab. It's not my job to make sure he doesn't get invaded or gets all his camps.

Summonah12369Jul 11, 20181 votes

I am a jungle main, and I can safely tell you, it is MUCH more complicated than ''oh I'm a jungler so I should just be able to one shot this fed Veigar who has 20 kills whenever I feel like it'' no, we have to make safe decision making, seeing when we can go in for a gank safely and successfully. We can't just ALWAYS gank regardless of how risky it will be. How about you play jungle, main it this season, put yourself in our shoes and see how it is. Yeah, it isn't as easy as it sounds, is it? You douche. Tired of being flamed by laners who think junglers can just gank whenever they feel like it. It's not like that.