Officially Boycotting Riot Games

OtterlyLost·Sep 5, 2018·275 votes·24,334 views

Female here, hi. One of those people your disgusting employee called a "manbaby." I don't agree with the way this whole fiasco has been handled. I'm angry that not only did you patronize me with the PAX workshop but now you're allowing some sexist individual to remain at your company after he openly bad mouthed your community.

Here is me putting my foot down. Until there is a real official statement from Riot games that includes an apology for these gross missteps along with some kind of punishment for the individual who felt the need to go on social media and "stir the pot" with their unwelcomed and, again, absolutely patronizing views, I will not be playing League. I will not be buying skins. I will not be viewing your esports or purchasing your merch. I will actively encourage others to do the same.

Because I dont need help getting jobs and I dont need a "safe place" away from men. To be completely honest, anyone who says they need that kind of treatment on order to apply for a job or to break into an industry is not mentally stable or mature enough to have a job in the first place; I dont know what they planned to do their first day when they realized they'd have to work with men.

And I definitely dont need a white knight in shining armor to come in and defend my rights and to help victimize me when I have never been a victim of anything on my life. I definitely dont appreciate individual employees calling me names for not agree with the actions of a company I put money into.

So here is me calling a spade a spade: Riot games decided to marginalize the majority of their player base with a sexist, anti male event. And then when people were understandably upset, their employees went on an unprofessional, childish tirade on social media that called the community garbage and made sweeping generalizations about the individuals who were upset over it. And then had the gall to not only allow said employee to remain after he insulted customers but began censoring reddit, congratulated him in private, and has seemingly decided they dont need to make a comment at all, letting their silence now stretch for three days.

Here's some advice: bad things dont just go away because you ignore them and destroy the evidence.

My boycott starts officially now. I encourage others to do the same but I especially encourage minorities to. Please, speak up and let Riot know that you dont need this kind of patronizing behavior and that you're just as capable and able to defend your own stances with out them.

EDIT: Four days. No League. Please, I implore others to do the same if you can. I know the game is addicting but there have been some great substitute games listed in the comments. :) Many people have been saying they are moving to Dota 2. I know I've been playing Monster Hunter World and am up for doing some fun hunts with people or helping with story quests. <3

Someone else suggest Vainglory which is a mobile moba; might be worth checking out.

Theres also Battlerite; I personally wasnt a huge fan but it's cute and has cute champs.

Heroes of the Storm is also available and kind of cool; not a fan of many of blizzards characters but it's pretty interesting.

Overwatch and Fortnite are also available and I want to try the free trial of FF14; have not been into a MMO in a long time.

Are there any DnD players? Roll20 is pretty cool.

148 Comments

Calamitosus CiniSep 5, 201872 votes

Watch the fire with us?

OtterlyLostSep 5, 201855 votes

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Watch the fire with us?

I plan to. I've kind of come to accept that this will be my last season of League. This latest stunt from them is honestly unacceptable. I can get over balance fuck ups(I was one of the people upset about 8.11) and fuck ups with clash(meh, I really didn't care) but this is outlandish.

xelakerSep 5, 20182 votes

[{quoted}](name=Calamitosus Cini,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=0Aq6EreA,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-09-05T13:00:38.274+0000)

Watch the fire with us?

keep a distance, this is a big one

DrCyanideSep 5, 201821 votes

Welcome to the sidelines. It's actually pretty refreshing after you start playing some other games and realize what gaming should be like.

OtterlyLostSep 5, 201811 votes

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Welcome to the sidelines. It's actually pretty refreshing after you start playing some other games and realize what gaming should be like.

I've been playing Monster Hunter and enjoying that. :)

DuroxxigarSep 5, 201815 votes

I did the same thing. I switched over to DOTA for my MOBA experience. I've been enjoying it so far.

OtterlyLostSep 5, 201810 votes

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I did the same thing. I switched over to DOTA for my MOBA experience. I've been enjoying it so far.

I considered trying to get into dota but none of their characters really catch my eye like leagues did.

DuroxxigarSep 5, 20183 votes

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I considered trying to get into dota but none of their characters really catch my eye like leagues did.

Yeah - it can be a little difficult to get into some of the heroes, I found a liking to two of 'em so far. I still recommend taking another look at it. If you want, we can friend up and learn it together too :) (as former league players) - it makes the learning process more fun.

OtterlyLostSep 5, 20184 votes

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Yeah - it can be a little difficult to get into some of the heroes, I found a liking to two of 'em so far. I still recommend taking another look at it. If you want, we can friend up and learn it together too :) (as former league players) - it makes the learning process more fun.

Sure! I have another friend that's been trying to convince me to get into Dota but I've been resistant because I still liked the characters better in league.

I've also been getting into Monster Hunter and considering Final Fantasy 14.

IainG10Sep 5, 20181 votes

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I considered trying to get into dota but none of their characters really catch my eye like leagues did.

Was the mana costs and the shop interface that put me off

DuroxxigarSep 5, 20182 votes

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Was the mana costs and the shop interface that put me off

I love that mana costs are an actual thing in the game. Mana is an actual resource to consider, personally, I like that.

Dat KatSep 5, 20181 votes

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I considered trying to get into dota but none of their characters really catch my eye like leagues did.

League is a refined version of dota, dota's groggy, slow, cartoony, and mechanically not as fun as league is. However, do try HOTS, if that doesn't workout, you're always welcomed back to LoL.

DuroxxigarSep 5, 20182 votes

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League is a refined version of dota, dota's groggy, slow, cartoony, and mechanically not as fun as league is. However, do try HOTS, if that doesn't workout, you're always welcomed back to LoL.

I wouldn't say that League is a refined version of DOTA. I'd say it's more casual than DOTA. League is also more cartoony than DOTA. Personally, I think League gimps you mechanically, where DOTA doesn't. I have been enjoying the mechanics in DOTA a lot more. Not a big fan of denying creep though, but I won't like everything about the game, lol.

HeimerLmaoSep 5, 20182 votes

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I did the same thing. I switched over to DOTA for my MOBA experience. I've been enjoying it so far.

Are you talking about DOTA 2, or the original mod? Also, can you link to a guide or something, After getting used to League I literally have no idea what is happening in DOTA.

DuroxxigarSep 5, 20181 votes

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Are you talking about DOTA 2, or the original mod? Also, can you link to a guide or something, After getting used to League I literally have no idea what is happening in DOTA.

Yeah - DOTA 2. Figured it would be accepted to just be called DOTA by now. The mod is super old. But here are a few things to get you started!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Szj-CloJiI&list=PLwL7E8fRVEdc0tFJlm2AWYhu4ccMk_vDD - REALLY GOOD, even if you already understand MOBAs

https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/wiki/faq#wiki_what_are_some_basic_tips_when_starting_to_play.3F - a good starting place.

Honestly, a lot of the skills does transfer over. It's just a matter of learning the items and champions (heroes). But you can just follow in-game guides until you get used to it. Yup, while playing, you can have a guide active and it'll show you what to buy and what skills to level WHILE PLAYING THE GAME. They also have a dedicated CS practice tool.

Just don't go in expecting League and you'll be fine. It will take just a little bit to get used to.

HeimerLmaoSep 5, 20182 votes

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Yeah - DOTA 2. Figured it would be accepted to just be called DOTA by now. The mod is super old. But here are a few things to get you started!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Szj-CloJiI&list=PLwL7E8fRVEdc0tFJlm2AWYhu4ccMk_vDD - REALLY GOOD, even if you already understand MOBAs

https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/wiki/faq#wiki_what_are_some_basic_tips_when_starting_to_play.3F - a good starting place.

Honestly, a lot of the skills does transfer over. It's just a matter of learning the items and champions (heroes). But you can just follow in-game guides until you get used to it. Yup, while playing, you can have a guide active and it'll show you what to buy and what skills to level WHILE PLAYING THE GAME. They also have a dedicated CS practice tool.

Just don't go in expecting League and you'll be fine. It will take just a little bit to get used to.

Thanks a lot! Right now I don't have time, but I'll be sure to check them out.

Spank the FoxSep 5, 201812 votes

C u next week, person of significant importance.

Quiet DudeSep 5, 201813 votes

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C u next week, person of significant importance.

She probably destroyed her Nikes too

GOT ‘EM!

OtterlyLostSep 5, 201835 votes

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She probably destroyed her Nikes too

GOT ‘EM!

No I didn't actually. Idgaf what some rich football player does to upset some othe rich orange idiot. I dont watch football and am not interested in what Nike does. If anything, they shouldn't be supported just because they have child sweat shops in China.

El DojSep 5, 201810 votes

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OtterlyLostSep 5, 20187 votes

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Go let Riot know how you feel: https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/9d6q0i/ama_we_are_your_eu_lcs_summer_finals_onair_team/

Itll just get censored by the mods there. They're practically run by a dictatorship. Plus, I dont have a Reddit account. At least not one I use often.

Dancing FoxxSep 5, 20185 votes

Here's a thought. Maybe you feel fine speaking up in a room of mostly men and find a way to be heard, but many women don't. This event was for them.

OtterlyLostSep 5, 201815 votes

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Here's a thought. Maybe you feel fine speaking up in a room of mostly men and find a way to be heard, but many women don't. This event was for them.

Then that is their issue and they need to be more confident. There are some men who dont feel comfortable speaking up in a group. We dont molly coddle them.

They didn't need an event for them. As I said, I'd they arent comfortable with the opposite sex at a job searching age, they are not mentally stable or mature enough to be searching for a job. what the hell do they expect to happen when they get a job at riot? they'll be expected to speak in rooms full of men there; just because they were hired through a woman only event doesn't mean, magically, on their first day there will be no men. To treat them as though the work place is going to just a bubble of safety and protection is disingenuous.

Dancing FoxxSep 5, 20183 votes

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Then that is their issue and they need to be more confident. There are some men who dont feel comfortable speaking up in a group. We dont molly coddle them.

They didn't need an event for them. As I said, I'd they arent comfortable with the opposite sex at a job searching age, they are not mentally stable or mature enough to be searching for a job. what the hell do they expect to happen when they get a job at riot? they'll be expected to speak in rooms full of men there; just because they were hired through a woman only event doesn't mean, magically, on their first day there will be no men. To treat them as though the work place is going to just a bubble of safety and protection is disingenuous.

So coming off the heels of more than a few allegations of sexual harassment, sexism, and even sexual assault, you expect women to rush to Riot-sponsored recruiting events? An event like this would be needed to begin to undo some of the damage of the unveiling of what is going on behind the scenes.

OtterlyLostSep 5, 20189 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dancing Foxx,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=0Aq6EreA,comment-id=000a00000000,timestamp=2018-09-05T16:43:50.059+0000)

So coming off the heels of more than a few allegations of sexual harassment, sexism, and even sexual assault, you expect women to rush to Riot-sponsored recruiting events? An event like this would be needed to begin to undo some of the damage of the unveiling of what is going on behind the scenes.

Coming off the heels of their past scandal, I expected them to learn that sexism of any kind was bad and stupid and to offer a recruiting event that specifically advertised itself as open to all with an emphasis on the idea there was a booth available for women and nonbinary individuals to visit to get advice and to talk to women and nonbinary individuals already within the company; this shows their support of minorities without simply barring majorities.

Simply hosting an event that completely bars men from attending, however, is not only unfair to the men who would like advice getting started but also incredibly sexist and exclusionary. This is compounded by the fact that it also comes off as ridiculously patronizing and, again, disingenuous; what the hell is going to happen to these women when they get to work and suddenly are surrounded by men?

There is no way to logically argue what they did at pax was okay and acceptable.

Dancing FoxxSep 5, 20183 votes

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Coming off the heels of their past scandal, I expected them to learn that sexism of any kind was bad and stupid and to offer a recruiting event that specifically advertised itself as open to all with an emphasis on the idea there was a booth available for women and nonbinary individuals to visit to get advice and to talk to women and nonbinary individuals already within the company; this shows their support of minorities without simply barring majorities.

Simply hosting an event that completely bars men from attending, however, is not only unfair to the men who would like advice getting started but also incredibly sexist and exclusionary. This is compounded by the fact that it also comes off as ridiculously patronizing and, again, disingenuous; what the hell is going to happen to these women when they get to work and suddenly are surrounded by men?

There is no way to logically argue what they did at pax was okay and acceptable.

We simply aren't going to agree. Enjoy your boycott. Hopefully sitting on the boards all day won't replace your playing the game.

OtterlyLostSep 5, 20187 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dancing Foxx,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=0Aq6EreA,comment-id=000a0000000000000000,timestamp=2018-09-05T16:59:34.293+0000)

We simply aren't going to agree. Enjoy your boycott. Hopefully sitting on the boards all day won't replace your playing the game.

No we won't because it's not really a matter of opinion but of facts and morals. Will these women be in an environment with men after hiring? Yes. So why have an event where there will be only women? How does this event prepare them mentally for the fact that they will deal with men near daily at their job? It doesn't.

And how is it okay, morally, to exclude any group of people from something? It isn't. If this had been a man only event, women would have been in an uproar. Just look at what happened to international men's day or the meet up exclusive for men that was intended to prevent male suicide; both got boycotted and protested about. If you would do the same to a man, then it should be the same for women; that is what equality is, verbatim. Doing and giving everyone the same opportunities.

nGioSep 5, 20184 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dancing Foxx,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=0Aq6EreA,comment-id=000a00000000,timestamp=2018-09-05T16:43:50.059+0000)

So coming off the heels of more than a few allegations of sexual harassment, sexism, and even sexual assault, you expect women to rush to Riot-sponsored recruiting events? An event like this would be needed to begin to undo some of the damage of the unveiling of what is going on behind the scenes.

No, not really. You start by purging the bad seeds and releasing a statement that you don't condone bigotry of any kind. What you don't do is knee jerk into some political pandering act that alienates the other part of your demographic, while further insulting the people originally offended. You don't let some ignoramus with a history of racism and sexism go to social media and say "I'm not a sexist, you're a sexist" like a damn 5 year old. What Riot needed was one fucking adult to stand up and take charge of the circus.

CaveslothSep 5, 20187 votes

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Then that is their issue and they need to be more confident. There are some men who dont feel comfortable speaking up in a group. We dont molly coddle them.

They didn't need an event for them. As I said, I'd they arent comfortable with the opposite sex at a job searching age, they are not mentally stable or mature enough to be searching for a job. what the hell do they expect to happen when they get a job at riot? they'll be expected to speak in rooms full of men there; just because they were hired through a woman only event doesn't mean, magically, on their first day there will be no men. To treat them as though the work place is going to just a bubble of safety and protection is disingenuous.

Triple points for using Molly coddle. Well put. Its just like what they are doing to kids nowadays, with participation trophies and safe spaces, we're making an entire generation of sissies completely unprepared for the real world. You want something in the world, be it a job or w/e, be excellent and show others you've EARNED IT.

afmghostSep 5, 20185 votes

What you do is refuse to give your champion commands until 2:30

MadVikingSep 5, 20185 votes

I'm still going to play the game, but I'm not tuning into any Riot events, any tournaments, or purchasing RP until we have an official Riot statement and apology.

ElipoSep 5, 20184 votes

As a woman I agree and is refreshing to see other women with common sense.

I've tried Dota and same, there wasn't a hero that called my attention. I could never get used to Hots, besides being graphically unpleasent it was all just a complete mess.

I recomend the moba bainglory for android and ios, it has nice heroes, it's not a mess and I'd be playing it constantly if my wifi wasn't so unstable: their original map was 3v3 with 2 junglers (usuallly one of them would be a roamer suporty character with utility and the other an assassin) and a laner (usually a ranged heroe). This I take kinda inspired league's blitz. Then they added a 5v5 map (like league I guess). And... that's it. I really liked it and is f2p.

Also the mmorpg "tera" has really nice graphics and fast dynamic combats and is also f2p

ElipoSep 5, 20182 votes

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As a woman I agree and is refreshing to see other women with common sense.

I've tried Dota and same, there wasn't a hero that called my attention. I could never get used to Hots, besides being graphically unpleasent it was all just a complete mess.

I recomend the moba bainglory for android and ios, it has nice heroes, it's not a mess and I'd be playing it constantly if my wifi wasn't so unstable: their original map was 3v3 with 2 junglers (usuallly one of them would be a roamer suporty character with utility and the other an assassin) and a laner (usually a ranged heroe). This I take kinda inspired league's blitz. Then they added a 5v5 map (like league I guess). And... that's it. I really liked it and is f2p.

Also the mmorpg "tera" has really nice graphics and fast dynamic combats and is also f2p

Omg I meant I recomend the moba Vainglory (not bainglory). I suck at typing on touch screens

Répôrt My ADCSep 5, 20184 votes

I've put up with a lot of Riot's shit but.. Honestly.. the way this is handled is a literal PR disaster. Even if riot is so happy with themselves, Tencent is more than likely not happy with riot, especially now a boycott is in place. China does not play with losing customers and money, especially after a mini "market crash" in China, so Tencent probably doesn't want to lose more.

Regardless of that, I believe this was the camel that broke the straw's back.. or the back that strawed the camel? Uhm..---

The community has dealt with too much, and this is it. The angriest people have been. The last straw. The last cheese.. Whatever other thing you want to call this, people are fed up and this might be the wakeup call to get riot to shape up. I don't want to see this game sink but the way things are looking doesn't make the future look so good.. [sg-soraka]

synesterspawnSep 5, 20183 votes

I would quit but I'm addicted. Honestly though as a man, I've found that all the male rioters I've dealt with are stubborn and entrenched in their ideas, the only female rioter that helped me actually helped and made me feel like she heard me. Not saying all female rioters are good or bad, just that I've only had bad experience with the males and vice versa.

D357R0Y3RSep 5, 20183 votes

I dont need a "safe place" away from men.

according to some female rioters some women do

See? that's the problem with riot right now, they DO THINK that women need help to stay away from men, they think that by helping women they achieve equality, and worst of all they think that helping women by excluding men isn't sexist

GothendelSep 5, 20183 votes

I have been called many names because I am a female who play so league by riot employees. They abuse their power and one of them even perma banned and deleted my old account because I called their office reporting these people. Riot is only hiring children At their “company”

BlueSmurf2018Sep 5, 20183 votes

thats a very comedic start ^.^ "Hi!, Female here." lol.

VoltreSep 5, 20182 votes

I haven't contributed any comments to this dumpster fire (until now) but why is everyone taking it so damned personally.

I feel like your assessment about riot trying to create a "safe space" is not entirely correct. But I feel like everyone is including that in their arguments just for clickbait. I'm certain that everybody hoping to attend the panel is smart enough to know that Riot Games as a workplace will contain both men, women, and nb.

This seems to me to be purely a logistics/attendance issue that they're trying to address. Just because the playerbase is 95% male or whatever, doesn't mean their hiring practices need to mirror that. Riot is just trying to alot some time to help a group that is normally underserved. That's it. Underserved. Riot has what I assume a limited allotted amount of time to help people review in person at PAX, and if there are like 6 dudes, 3 ladies and 1nb person in line, they'd end up forgoing a lot of non-male candidates if they opened it to everyone from the beginning? So they're trying to spread their resources at this event a little more "evenly" at this event to people that would normally get looked over (not because of qualifications, but because by the sheer number of applicants and people in line will skew).

Plus they said they're opening it to everyone afterwards anyway. I agree that it's not the most elegant solution to help this group, but just because they're trying to do something nice for one part of the community, doesn't mean they're purposefully trying to attack the entirety of the playerbase (which everyone is making it out to be).

And yes that one guy was way out of line with how he addressed the community. But the community is taking it a little too far in the other direction as well (in my humble opinion).

Anyway everyone is free to disagree here...but yeah that's how I feel. I don't need people to hold doors open for me, but I'm not gonna trash the person that just wanted to be nice.

ArakadiaSep 5, 20182 votes

I don't think Riot was having their women's support event thing because women like you can't get jobs or need a safe place. I think it was that the tech industry generally is not at all welcoming or encouraging for women.

I assume you don't work in it (otherwise you would have mentioned it, but its also statistically unlikely), which makes sense.

So I disagree that supporting women who want to get in the tech industry is a bad idea (your fine, that doesn't mean everyone is). I understand that Riot wanted to welcome females and NB people who otherwise might be discouraged from the 97% of men who make up League's community. It can certainly make people nervous or discouraged if they know that the vast majority of people around are going to be the opposite gender. Its not a matter of being protected or white knighted against dangerous men.

I'm not saying what Riot did was smart or ethical (I don't think it was) but I disagree that their motives were bad. Riot having a female targeted event is fine! Segregating men entirely at the cost of this was not though. And I disagree with most of the extremism that has taken over the boards, such as responding to bigotry and toxicity with bigotry and toxicity.

OtterlyLostSep 5, 20182 votes

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I don't think Riot was having their women's support event thing because women like you can't get jobs or need a safe place. I think it was that the tech industry generally is not at all welcoming or encouraging for women.

I assume you don't work in it (otherwise you would have mentioned it, but its also statistically unlikely), which makes sense.

So I disagree that supporting women who want to get in the tech industry is a bad idea (your fine, that doesn't mean everyone is). I understand that Riot wanted to welcome females and NB people who otherwise might be discouraged from the 97% of men who make up League's community. It can certainly make people nervous or discouraged if they know that the vast majority of people around are going to be the opposite gender. Its not a matter of being protected or white knighted against dangerous men.

I'm not saying what Riot did was smart or ethical (I don't think it was) but I disagree that their motives were bad. Riot having a female targeted event is fine! Segregating men entirely at the cost of this was not though. And I disagree with most of the extremism that has taken over the boards, such as responding to bigotry and toxicity with bigotry and toxicity.

I never said their motives were bad; in another post I even commented that if they wanted to do this right they should have had a hiring event open to all with a booth directly targeted to minorities being run by minorities.

Their execution was absolute garbage and the pisspoor customer service afterwards does not help. Regardless of whether they agree with what their worker said, their worker still insulted their customer base, the people who make their bottom line. That is unacceptable.

And finally, I dont really feel how a lack of representation or women in a field equates to a lack of women being allowed in said field. There are a lack of male teachers, nurses, and social workers; does this suddenly equate that those particular job markets discriminate against men? No. It just means more men would rather go into coding and STEM than women. And there are plenty of programs out there designed to get women interested in STEM.

ArakadiaSep 5, 20182 votes

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I never said their motives were bad; in another post I even commented that if they wanted to do this right they should have had a hiring event open to all with a booth directly targeted to minorities being run by minorities.

This was my misunderstanding then. I thought you were dismissing their motives.

Their execution was absolute garbage and the pisspoor customer service afterwards does not help. Regardless of whether they agree with what their worker said, their worker still insulted their customer base, the people who make their bottom line. That is unacceptable.

This is fair.

And finally, I dont really feel how a lack of representation or women in a field equates to a lack of women being allowed in said field. There are a lack of male teachers, nurses, and social workers; does this suddenly equate that those particular job markets discriminate against men? No. It just means more men would rather go into coding and STEM than women. And there are plenty of programs out there designed to get women interested in STEM.

There is a lack of representation in the womens field but it isn't quite comparable to things like male teachers being underrepresented. For example in secondary schooling 41% of teachers are men.. Andnearly 30% of teachers in general are men in the US.. More 'motherly' jobs like child care or taking care of younger kids naturally are mostly women, and that is something that could be better.

Meanwhile men certainly dominate the tech industry.

But just because the vast majority of the tech industry is men doesn't mean that women are oppressed by default. Surely many women would feel more comfortable with more women in their work place, but this alone isn't the issue. The issue also comes from that fact that sexism is all too common in the tech industry. Riot has said this. Former rioters have said this. There is evidence to support it too.

Anyways I don't get how "there are plenty of STEM programs for women already" (paraphrasing) means that we can't have one at pax. This was supposed to be one of those stem programs.

So while women are a minority in the tech industry, your right that doesn't by itself discriminate against women. Its how they are encouraged and treated in the tech industry.

Ark SorcererSep 5, 20182 votes

It is unfortunate that not only what Riot Games has allowed to have happened, but this is where gaming is going: allowing sexist, anti-male rhetoric and we, the players, the consumers, are supposed to simply accept it. It is saddening that Riot is becoming part of the problem that no one on wants.

meowburgerSep 6, 20182 votes

I uninstalled the game two nights ago and will not be returning unless something major happens.

Even IF that happens, I will still never spend another cent on a Riot Games product.

Blade of JusticSep 6, 20182 votes

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Because I dont need help getting jobs and I dont need a "safe place" away from men. To be completely honest, anyone who says they need that kind of treatment on order to apply for a job or to break into an industry is not mentally stable or mature enough to have a job in the first place; I dont know what they planned to do their first day when they realized they'd have to work with men.

And I definitely dont need a white knight in shining armor to come in and defend my rights and to help victimize me when I have never been a victim of anything on my life. I definitely dont appreciate individual employees calling me names for not agree with the actions of a company I put money into.

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Flying Hamst3rSep 7, 20182 votes

I've spent hundreds of dollars on skins this year alone. No more, I'm done with this game now. Uninstalled.

gg riot

SupaDupaDogSep 6, 20181 votes

As a minority I am absolutely ok with token gesture events if they make very turgid dude gamers who's only claims to sexism are in the most technical and petty sense, very angry.

Seriously its astounding how much a yawn the forums gave when it came to light female employees had been pushed out of Riot, out of their chosen and studied careers, yet when they make dudes sit out one corporate speak panel out of a future 100, the forums cannot stop screaming. This whole thing is getting mocked because the "man-children" seem utterly obsessed with their victim-hood over and refuse to see the big picture.

Honestly OP you shouldn't be sticking up for/throwing your hat in with people so loathsomely unconcerned with the well being of women.

VoraciousXSep 6, 20181 votes

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As a minority I am absolutely ok with token gesture events if they make very turgid dude gamers who's only claims to sexism are in the most technical and petty sense, very angry.

Seriously its astounding how much a yawn the forums gave when it came to light female employees had been pushed out of Riot, out of their chosen and studied careers, yet when they make dudes sit out one corporate speak panel out of a future 100, the forums cannot stop screaming. This whole thing is getting mocked because the "man-children" seem utterly obsessed with their victim-hood over and refuse to see the big picture.

Honestly OP you shouldn't be sticking up for/throwing your hat in with people so loathsomely unconcerned with the well being of women.

Sweeping generalizations. I was very disappointed with Riot about that as well, and showed it. Doesn't mean I'm not upset with them now over doing the exact same things, but to a different group of people. Also the reason most people didn't put up much of a fight about it from what I saw was because the article was from Kotaku. I still believed it to be true since Riot actually apologized afterwards and they have a past(Krepo for example). No one has actually seen what Riot has done/said to females either. We have however seen exactly what some of them think of everyone else, and DZK basically told men to kill themselves.

SupaDupaDogSep 6, 20181 votes

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Sweeping generalizations. I was very disappointed with Riot about that as well, and showed it. Doesn't mean I'm not upset with them now over doing the exact same things, but to a different group of people. Also the reason most people didn't put up much of a fight about it from what I saw was because the article was from Kotaku. I still believed it to be true since Riot actually apologized afterwards and they have a past(Krepo for example). No one has actually seen what Riot has done/said to females either. We have however seen exactly what some of them think of everyone else, and DZK basically told men to kill themselves.

I didn't ask if you personally where critical of riot over the incidents, I declared that the boards where, in general, uninterested in the story and preferred to complain about Zoe or something. Refute me on that.

And you, and many others, are upset over something that has done absolutely nothing to harm anyone's careers or a livelihoods. No men will lose anything remotely substantial because of that panels existence, least of all here on the forums. The principle of the matter is vapid and hollow.

And the anger over DZKs retweet just shows even more how thin skinned this movement is, and how little they understand the weight of what they are accusing. Seriously, being emotionally devastated by a singular retweet is lamesauce.

VoraciousXSep 6, 20182 votes

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I didn't ask if you personally where critical of riot over the incidents, I declared that the boards where, in general, uninterested in the story and preferred to complain about Zoe or something. Refute me on that.

And you, and many others, are upset over something that has done absolutely nothing to harm anyone's careers or a livelihoods. No men will lose anything remotely substantial because of that panels existence, least of all here on the forums. The principle of the matter is vapid and hollow.

And the anger over DZKs retweet just shows even more how thin skinned this movement is, and how little they understand the weight of what they are accusing. Seriously, being emotionally devastated by a singular retweet is lamesauce.

It's not a singular retweet. The guy's been blasting people the entire time. This is just the latest thing he's said, multiple days after the crap happened. People were calmly saying they were upset that they wouldn't be included. Women asked if men would be afforded the same opportunity at a later time, etc. DZK decides to go full rampage mode. The top upvoted comments on the thread were not anywhere near toxic from what I read, but he decided to insult everyone repeatedly. When you work for a company and are public about it, you speak for that company. You are the public face of that company, it works like this for any industry. Do you think people would buy the next Dark Souls game if someone from From Software went off spouting toxic nonsense claiming that his customers were manbabies and should kill themselves when they simply asked what the release date would be? Because that's basically what this is.

Also claiming the boards in general, is again, generalizations. There were people who were upset about it. Just because it wasn't the majority doesn't make that any less true. This is the same as claiming we're all men and are oppressors, which is what a lot of these 3rd wave feminist comments we're seeing from people disagreeing are about. Again though, it was because it was from Kotaku, someone they claim doesn't tell the truth, and we have no proof of those things happening, so we can't form a grouped opinion on it and haven't actually seen it for what it is. DZK on the other hand has given us a very clear insight into what he thinks on his twitter.