I know the best way to buff Darius without buffing his numbers.

IsIsGankedParis·May 20, 2015·56 votes·3,158 views

Fix his bleed bug to actually do all of its damage.

That's what he needs to be useful again, it's a bug he had since his release.

Context: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gN-5I4KoYpc&feature=youtu.be

48 Comments

SpecterVonBarenMay 20, 20154 votes

Why would we want to buff that abomination?

AquariusGineMay 20, 20154 votes

BUFF DARIUS?

Did you say Buff?

kile147May 20, 20153 votes

Also, making his hook instant cast would be a nice QOL buff for everyone

ElphrihaimMay 20, 20153 votes

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Also, making his hook instant cast would be a nice QOL buff for everyone

Except his opponents :o

it also removes any possibility of flashing out of apprehend

so no, that's kind of not at all a good idea

kile147May 20, 201519 votes

You can't flash out already, if you try it pulls you back in anyways because abilities like that and Cho Gaths silence are poorly coded. Making it instant would make it so that he couldn't be interrupted, but I wouldn't burn my flash only to be pulled back in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ad3Ow_VGUnQ

It's unintuitive and unfair for his opponents right now, so why not just buff it so that he instant casts it, since he effectively does anyways

ElphrihaimMay 21, 20152 votes

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You can't flash out already, if you try it pulls you back in anyways because abilities like that and Cho Gaths silence are poorly coded. Making it instant would make it so that he couldn't be interrupted, but I wouldn't burn my flash only to be pulled back in.

I have flashed out of apprehend in the past without being yanked back in o_O

kile147May 21, 20153 votes

Then you must've gotten rather lucky, but most of the time you can't, so why not just make it impossible, so that you don't end up blowing your flash only to be pulled back anyways.

thinking manMay 20, 20151 votes

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Except his opponents :o

it also removes any possibility of flashing out of apprehend

so no, that's kind of not at all a good idea

You already can't flash out of apprehend.

It works like Cho W/Kass E where it decides the targets as soon as you cast it rather than when the cast finishes.

kile147May 21, 20151 votes

Which are also kind of bullshit things and I have wasted flash on those as well, but they aren't as serious as Darius since his ability literally negates the entire point of flashing out.

IsIsGankedParisMay 20, 20152 votes

Any thoughts?

YOU BEEN WARNEDMay 20, 20151 votes

Why didn't you post this in the bugs section? Teaser much ?

IsIsGankedParisMay 20, 20151 votes

I did, just since I've constantly asked for Darius buffs until he got the ult buff, I thought, "I think a bug fix would be a buff for him"

MyozthirirnMay 20, 20152 votes

Post it in the bug section please

KingsgraveMay 20, 20154 votes

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Post it in the bug section please

Nobody reads those

NemeBroMay 21, 20152 votes

Garen can beat Darius in lane, as can Renekton. They're not the only ones. Darius isn't the big boogeyman to melee champs people say he is, IMO.

LostSoul666May 21, 20151 votes

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Garen can beat Darius in lane, as can Renekton. They're not the only ones. Darius isn't the big boogeyman to melee champs people say he is, IMO.

imo Darius can do rather well against Garen. I find any champ with a DOT ability can make Garen's life kinda miserable. , Cassiopeia , Darius , Gangplank . Just to name a few.

NemeBroMay 21, 20151 votes

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imo Darius can do rather well against Garen. I find any champ with a DOT ability can make Garen's life kinda miserable. , , , . Just to name a few.

It's a skill match-up.

Darius' DOT counters Garen's passive, but Garen's silence makes him far better at quick trades. When Darius pulls you in, just Q and spin away. You'll heal up the minor damage he did to you far faster than he heals up the damage you did to him.

Earthlord JazzMay 20, 20151 votes

I think you showed everything that needed to be said. The rest is up to Riot to fix this

FuaztinMay 20, 20151 votes

That's fucked up man. Unreliable damage.

flibitydooMay 20, 20151 votes

If you build item 1054 , Darius bleed does 1 damage per tick.

This (and some very cautious "let's not get greedy and take all the cs" play) was how I was able to survive that game where I was trundle top vs Darius top.

Although the problems I see with Darius right now are: In lane, stomps melee, gets rolled over by ranged (very Binary) no escapes, and weak initiation. he cannot chase a guy down. Isn't a true tank. Has no defensive steroids whatsoever.

His lategame is fine ever since they unlocked his ultimate. He can be that walking ultimate he was back in season 3, slamming people with 1k true damage dunks. But the other issues that Darius suffers from, that have pretty much always existed with him still stand.

IcyPepperMay 20, 20157 votes

Isn't a true tank. Has no defensive steroids whatsoever.

Isn't he more of a bruiser?

kile147May 21, 20151 votes

Yes basically he is since he does more damage than cc, but bruisers like survivability steroids too

IcyPepperMay 21, 20151 votes

It's certainly a nice thing to have, that's for sure. Not all bruisers have them, though, but it's certainly not uncommon.

Vistha KaiMay 20, 20151 votes

He isn't binary when it comes to matchups. For example cancer of the top lane Lulu. All you have to do is to get Boots of Swiftness and she's completely invalidated.

OyddAWqJ5rMay 20, 20151 votes

~~That's exactly what binary means >.>~~

He either stomps the opponent or he gets stomped. There is no middle ground.

Edit: Misread what he/you said. Thought I saw "He's completely invalidated". But no, Lulu should win that lane given a brain and a working keyboard. If Darius gets boots, get boots too. Ranged tops should never lose to Darius 9.99 times out of 10.

Rinky DinkyMay 21, 20153 votes

Um, he just explained how darius can win against a ranged top.

So, no.

Vistha KaiMay 21, 20151 votes

"Very biniary" in flibitydoo's view means that no matter what Darius will do, as long as his opponent is ranged he will lose.

I just gave an example why that isn't true.

Then I had many games where I went like 3/3/0 in lane and both outer top towers were down, without any jungler presence or ganks on the other lanes. Not really a stomp there either.

OyddAWqJ5rMay 21, 20151 votes

Misread what you said. Thought I saw "He's completely invalidated". But no, Lulu should win that lane given a brain and a working keyboard. If Darius gets boots, get boots too. Ranged tops should never lose to Darius 9.99 times out of 10.

Polymorph completely counters Apprehend. And boots counters boots.

Vistha KaiMay 21, 20151 votes

Yes and no. First of all, as a melee, Darius will be faster. Two, I don't really think Lulu can interrupt Apprehend. Even if she Morphs him before he's able to do anything after it, she's already in pretty shitty spot.

Also, item 3142 item 3078 item 3284 . Darius Try to kite me, fgt. I dare ya.

OyddAWqJ5rMay 22, 20151 votes

Being melee has nothing to do with movement speed actually, Lulu is far faster.

As for 2, no Lulu cannot interrupt Apprehend. The morph comes after and it's long enough to make space combined with glitterlance. If needed she can shield herself too.

And item 3142 item 3078 item 3009 only apply to after laning phase. No way you'll have that levels 1-6, but even then it's the same old song with polymorph and ult completely negating your attempts to rush her.

Lulu beats Darius completely one-sidedly, as does almost every other ranged top.

http://s10.postimg.org/50xkyo49l/Teemo_Darius.png

Vistha KaiMay 23, 20151 votes

If Lulu has to cast all her basic spells to stop Darius, then he has free lane. Lulu just shat all of her mana. Darius traded maybe 50 for Apprehend.

OyddAWqJ5rMay 23, 20151 votes

But why would she when all she needs to cast is Polymorph?

Darius can't catch her after that and if he tries he gets a Glitterlance and a bunch of free passive enhanced autos in his face.

UdoIkOSc4uMay 20, 20151 votes

but it lasts more so after all it is the same

Old Man TeetoMay 20, 20151 votes

Hmmm weird, never heard of this.

Fixing bugs is something worthwhile, however Darius needs a kit that's less built purely to "all in all the time" that hard counters melee's that have to get in range of him to function.

While the Ranged vs Melee debate is always a problem, Darius is a melee who either can't do anything without flash/enemy mistake, or the enemy can't do anything to Darius without him making a mistake. If you're Trundle, Fiora, Jax, Riven, Irelia, Wukong, Xin Zhao, Warwick, Volibear and you're laning against a Darius, you have to be willing to trade heavily if you want CS since he's going to mash your face in if you go near the CS.

Remlap1223May 20, 20151 votes

Or, we can NOT buff Darius anymore until his rework because he's complete cancer to face in lane unless you're playing Teemo or Quinn.

TransgressorMay 20, 20151 votes

This could be a great thing, consistency is always a great thing.

On another note, to actually buff Darius? What were they smoking when they thought let's give a champion a true damage ultimate that scales with his passive, which in turn does magic damage dps, an ability that ignores all gap closers in the game and has built in armor penetration for his whole fucking kid, an aa reset that slows in hit and applies his passive on top of his normal aa's, and a Q that does aoe physical damage which applies his passive on all targets hit, has 2 different damage zones and doesn't interupt his movement OR has cast time.