Dat Riot logic

Jefftiffy·Mar 18, 2015·1 votes·767 views

Remove DFG because it makes assassin's oppressive.

Put in Luden's which is DFG 2.0. Can do up to 1k AoE damage to team late game where DFG was lucky to do more than 400 to a single target then boost damage and had a CD. Luden's is solely capped by how fast or how many abilities you have and how low CD they are and how many gap closers they have.

Luden's also add's more MS to champs that tend to be very mobile anyways. On top of this its 120 AP. Just because DFG had 120 doesn't mean Luden's should too. It could of easily started out at 100 AP because of how strong the passive is. The AoE damage at purchase is about 125*5 and isn't really a restricted by AS its restricted by CDs which makes rapid fire bursters even worse. You can potentials get around 5+ Luden's off in the time you got 1 DFG shot.

Putting in a passive to replace an active is dumb especially when the active was on a decent CD.

15 Comments

DisasterSolaMar 18, 20152 votes

You realize you just said that the AoE damage is 600 if you rush it? Its got a 0.15 ratio dude.

To do 1000 damage you would need.... just 6000AP. To go 600 damage its something like 3300.

You need a metric shit ton of AP to do that much damage.

JefftiffyMar 18, 20151 votes

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You realize you just said that the AoE damage is 600 if you rush it? Its got a 0.15 ratio dude.

To do 1000 damage you would need.... just 6000AP. To go 600 damage its something like 3300.

You need a metric shit ton of AP to do that much damage.

AoE damage. Total.

DisasterSolaMar 18, 20152 votes

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AoE damage. Total.

.... And? Any carry who gets that amount of AP will clear waves regardless and do damage.

Its really no different than ADCs who get shiv. ADCs can pump out 1200 damage with shiv.

JefftiffyMar 18, 20151 votes

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.... And? Any carry who gets that amount of AP will clear waves regardless and do damage.

Its really no different than ADCs who get shiv. ADCs can pump out 1200 damage with shiv.

Shiv doesn't scale off of AD and it does magic damage a source they don't build magic pen for.

NaCl SenpaiMar 18, 20151 votes

Yeah, but Luden's isn't nearly as speedy to recharge as Shiv. You can build AS and get multiple Shiv procs on a single wave. With Luden's, the recharge is only speedy if you can spam abilities (which isn't that hard, but you can only use abilities so many times in a short period).

MigrañaboyMar 18, 20152 votes

Put in Luden's which is DFG 2.0. Can do up to 1k AoE damage to team late game where DFG was lucky to do more than 400 to a single target.

Because 100-0 a champ is different from 100-80 4x champs.

DFG ensured the kill in early stages of the game, where Luden's doesn't.

JefftiffyMar 18, 20151 votes

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Because 100-0 a champ is different from 100-80 4x champs.

DFG ensured the kill in early stages of the game, where Luden's doesn't.

Except now you can 100-0 2 people with luden's late game with most champs that could only do it to 1.

MigrañaboyMar 18, 20151 votes

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Except now you can 100-0 2 people with luden's late game with most champs that could only do it to 1.

Extra damage is 100 + 15%AP, let's say you have 1000 AP, which means in the end 250 extra damage without considering magic resistance.

JefftiffyMar 18, 20151 votes

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Extra damage is 100 + 15%AP, let's say you have 1000 AP, which means in the end 250 extra damage without considering magic resistance.

:V

Except Sorcer's Shoe's plus Void counters most MR builds late game. Because pen is still stronger instead of equal with defense.

MigrañaboyMar 18, 20151 votes

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Except Sorcer's Shoe's plus Void counters most MR builds late game. Because pen is still stronger instead of equal with defense.

Except that reducing MR doesn't mean 0% damage reduction, Doesn't matter OP.

25 magic resistance → × 0.8 incoming magic damage (20% reduction). 100 magic resistance → × 0.5 incoming magic damage (50% reduction).

Even with 0% damage reduction, I secure you OP that 250 dmg will be the last of you worries OP. Any magic combo, whether has ludens equiped or not, will be just powerful anyway.

Luden's Echo spreads the damage towards the team, but has a bigger window of survivability (from middle game at least) in comparison of DFG. (And before you try to straw man this OP, any mage can 100-0 anyone if he gets aid from teammates).

ZavernMar 18, 20152 votes

That thread logic. DFG dealt 15% of the targets Max HP and increased all magical damage dealt to a target by 20% for 4 seconds.. Ludens is a 100 + 15% damage ratio item that hits 4 enemy targets whether it be minions or champions. 7% movement speed also isn't going to get you killed from someone that can dash a reasonable distance. I also highly doubt a champion can get 5+ Luden charges off before a similar burst champion can make of DFG. You can 20 charges per skill cast, that would take 5 skill casts to simply use the charge once. To get all 5 of those uses, you would need to cast 25 skills, which only Katarina and Sona can really pull off.

JefftiffyMar 18, 20151 votes

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That thread logic. DFG dealt 15% of the targets Max HP and increased all magical damage dealt to a target by 20% for 4 seconds.. Ludens is a 100 + 15% damage ratio item that hits 4 enemy targets whether it be minions or champions. 7% movement speed also isn't going to get you killed from someone that can dash a reasonable distance. I also highly doubt a champion can get 5+ Luden charges off before a similar burst champion can make of DFG. You can 20 charges per skill cast, that would take 5 skill casts to simply use the charge once. To get all 5 of those uses, you would need to cast 25 skills, which only Katarina and Sona can really pull off.

Underestimated utility of 100% uptimte and 20% charge per proc. And the item scales with MS in a mobility meta. Hrrrm I wonder why its a problem. You seem to forget it charges on dashes too. And guess what a dash is tied to? A spell. 20% + units traveled.

OperationDEEZ1Mar 18, 20151 votes

Play AP Ezreal and fire Trueshot Trueshot with Luden's, and I'll be there to pick your jaw up off the floor.

MigrañaboyMar 18, 20151 votes

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Play AP Ezreal and fire Trueshot Trueshot with Luden's, and I'll be there to pick your jaw up off the floor.

This could be quite a thing, perhaps Luden's as an alternative item to trinity/gauntlet... or better yet, possible substitute of boots at late game.

AP Ezreal is annoying as phuck.

OperationDEEZ1Mar 18, 20151 votes

I used to build Lich Bane then went item 3116 item 3285 item 3020 item 3089 item 3157 item 3075 (Vayne even though I could beat her in a duel) and it was insane. I shall never go back...