Something needs to be done about these AD high mobility fighters

deadlychuck··2 votes·551 views

i'm looking at you LeeSin Khazix Renekton Riven Vi Yasuo Zed

all the items in the game that are intended to stop AD champions from blowing you up are basically useless against them, because they are designed to stop the damage of marksmen not ability heavy AD champions.

item 3075 item 3143

They have items which are inherently imbalanced which as soon as someone mentions people get pissed because no one likes their favorite to get nerfed. I'm sorry but it needs to be done.

The overwhelming power of item 3074 is just to much. There is no big gold barrier, it offers massive sustain, wave clear, damage, and an auto attack reset. There is almost literally never a reason to finish another item first if you are AD and melee except if you're yasuo in which case the insane value you get for crit overrides it.

AP have nothing similar and the ranged version item 3085 of the item is not a good stand alone item, and ironically tends to be better on AP champions than AD.

These AD caster fighter champions are what make it possible to have a team of riven mid, lee jg, rene top, and an ADC and then you get destroyed even though you build strait armor.

GG riot GG

4 Comments

Monoblair1 votes

lol marksmens never get runnans as item 3046 and item 3087 are generally a better choice. About half of those champs you listed I hardly ever see them build this and half of them already have sustain built into their kit. Thornmail isn't the option but have you ever even tried killing anything as an ad champ without % armor pen. and ap has an advantage as people that don't get bonus mr will only get 30-53 mr, add in the average 7 magic pen marks and the 6% magic pen mastery thats 21-49 mr, while most champs get a far large amount of armor per level.

67chrome1 votes

Kha'Zix, Zed, and Yasou aren't high mobility fighters, those are just straight up assassins.

As far as countermeasures go, it makes sense it's somewhat difficult to counterbuild those champions for 1 main reason: They're melee.

Which isn't to say they're impossible to counterbuild, armor still makes them cry for early and mid game, a Seeker's alone can ruin their day.

Fighters are also generally impossible to counterbuild, especially if they were designed to build a decent amount of tank. Darius, Warwick, Shyvana - does all deal a pretty even mix of magical/physical damage. Also ability/auto-attack damage, and they often come with %HP or true damage, along with the occasional %armor pen steroid (Vi, Darius, Renekton).

As for the high-mobility part: that is annoying on fighters like Renekton, Vi, and Lee Sin, because it makes them pretty strong.

For mobile assassins though: assassins have frequently been seen as to risky, unreliable, and generally tactically weak to be taken up within the meta. With champions like Zed and Yasou coming into the league - it opened way for assassins with to actually have the mobility they need to accomplish things at the right time, rather than Kassadin's type of mobility that's just up 24/7 with much less strategic trade-offs.

Eapenator1 votes

This post is just........

Riven, Vi, Zed, Renekton, kha zix, have all been balenced for a while, as new counter picks have sprung up and taken over their dominant position.

So what if these champions can kill squishes. Thats their job, they should be good at it. As a Marksman player, this meta has probably been the most safe for almost any marksman. And no, while I used to play tristana 3 months ago, I now play mostly mf and varus, so I have had experience with being immobile.

The only champions that you have listed that are of significant issue is Yasuo and Lee sin. Yasuo's wall is my only problem with him, since it seems too powerful for an already powerful kit, and Lee sin is an issue because of different reason, limiting jungle picks.

As a marks man players, I know that any of these champions will be able to 1 v 1 you. But in a team fight scenario, all these champions except for Vi can be easily controlled and blown up, unless you mess up, or they make good decisions, which they should be rewarded for.

So no, ad casters are in a good place right now. I find it funny how you don't mention Fizz or Talon, or Yi, as those are probably the biggest offenders for being the least skilled but able to rofl stomp and seem impervious to any defences you are able to put up. It just goes to show how deluded this whole post is.

MrSc0tty1 votes

Lol nearly every champion you listed as OP has a <50% winrate.

Have you tried the magic of positioning ?

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