PSA: If you are below Plat you might find the game unbalanced.

lolptwo·Feb 13, 2016·9 votes·1,907 views

It's because you haven't even learned the game yet. Of course it's going to be unbalanced for you. Time and time again, I see people whining on the boards here about things that AREN'T REMOTELY OP.

Riot balances off HIGH ELO, NOT BRONZE so if you are Bronze making comments about how the game should be balanced to your liking. Maybe you should LEARN the game before complaining about it.

Today I've seen people complain about Master Yi, Garen, and Katarina, and call Nidalee, Trundle and Braum shit.

Yeah maybe in Bronze 5 that is "OP" and I'm OP at hockey playing against Toddlers too! They should nerf my skates they are faster!

Also I'm aware 90% of the community is Silver and below and would find this offensive but I don't care, you need to hear the truth of why Riot balances the way they do.

43 Comments

SiytherFeb 13, 20165 votes

oh look another im better than you so you have no say post. serouisly go stuff it man

lolptwoFeb 13, 20163 votes

Oh look another sensitive low elo that takes everything as an insult and can't deal with the fact he can't progress because he doesn't learn.

Seriously go read a book man.

No no man you're right rush Black Clever and feed with MF, you know what you're doing. That's not the reason you're feeding it's because the Champion is underpowered and Broken.

stealthfox94Feb 13, 20162 votes

I think this comment says it all. You basically just implied that someone in Gold 1 doesn't know how to play the game. Which is complete bullshit.

lolptwoFeb 13, 20162 votes

I'm sorry so you went to the very highest thresh hold before my cut off? lol

It's an on average, also yes on Average Gold 1's don't know how to play the game. Heck the streamers on twitch who are Challenger call Diamond players like me garbage because of what we think we know and we know a fair bit...Gold? Man golds have so much to learn I can write a book on what differentiates a Gold from a Diamond but I really don't care to. Which is why it's possible for Elo Boosters to boost a Gold account from Gold to Plat in 2 days flat LOL. It's that easy

BattleMan69Feb 13, 20161 votes

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I'm sorry so you went to the very highest thresh hold before my cut off? lol

It's an on average, also yes on Average Gold 1's don't know how to play the game. Heck the streamers on twitch who are Challenger call Diamond players like me garbage because of what we think we know and we know a fair bit...Gold? Man golds have so much to learn I can write a book on what differentiates a Gold from a Diamond but I really don't care to. Which is why it's possible for Elo Boosters to boost a Gold account from Gold to Plat in 2 days flat LOL. It's that easy

So someone who's not a basement dwelling challenger is bad? let's bring hockey back into this since you went there in the op. You aren't in the nhl, so you are garbage and you have no right to discuss any hockey related subjects because you simply aren't good enough to understand the complexities of the game.

lolptwoFeb 13, 20161 votes

I AGREE. I am not NHL. I cannot go to the NHL Executive and be like. "Um excuse me but I'm a Triple A hockey player, and I think nets should be larger because my shot is super inaccurate and I never score' I DON'T understand NHL play, as much as I watch or love hockey. Playing is MUCH different than watching.

THANK YOU for bringing that up. I would look like a jackass to try and change hockey when I'm not an NHL player...so do Bronzes thinking they can change the balance of League.

BattleMan69Feb 13, 20161 votes

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I AGREE. I am not NHL. I cannot go to the NHL Executive and be like. "Um excuse me but I'm a Triple A hockey player, and I think nets should be larger because my shot is super inaccurate and I never score' I DON'T understand NHL play, as much as I watch or love hockey. Playing is MUCH different than watching.

THANK YOU for bringing that up. I would look like a jackass to try and change hockey when I'm not an NHL player...so do Bronzes thinking they can change the balance of League.

Ok, as long as we are on the same page. Since those challengers know balance, let's give them the power to change it as they see fit. Oh and by the way, your opinions on balance don't matter since you aren't a pro so you can't say yI isn't overpowered

lolptwoFeb 13, 20162 votes

Riot does balance off Challenger. They actually bring players like Meteos and Sneaky and Bjergsen into their headquarters to tests things out incase you didn't know. Also yup, my opinion is merely an opinion. However I would say I have more of a credible opinion on the matter than a Bronze 4.

Similar to how I would listen more to a Professor of Economics on the state of the economy rather than a kid in Gr.10 "Math". They both have opinions, they can both read on the economy, one is FAR more likely to have a vastly superior opinion.

stealthfox94Feb 13, 20161 votes

Oh give me a break just because someone's in a lower division than you doesn't make them garbage. Gold players are better than around 85% of the player base so they aren't garbage.

lolptwoFeb 13, 20161 votes

I'm not calling anyone garbage, all i'm saying is that the things they think are OP are infact, not OP. Where have I called anyone garbage?

FlemmanFeb 13, 20161 votes

but, what is the point of this thead in the first place if it's not a "I know better than you" thread.

If the low elo judgment didn't count for you, shouldn't you just let it go?

lolptwoFeb 13, 20162 votes

Because I actually usually enjoy reading credible things on the boards every now and then. Right now it's turned into a whine fest because of the new season and people are just randomly upvoting things than ARENT even true, it's just the same topic over and over again. Then Riot releases a Dev Blog to tell them to calm down and they never do. Ultimately though, you're right I am not worried. I know Riot doesn't balance off low elo and I'm happy for that.

FlemmanFeb 13, 20161 votes

and you are right and wrong, they state multiple times they balance around all elo (hence why azir got change and lee receive some buff last year or why succesfull champ at low level, amumu/yi/blitz, don't get buff to see play at higher tier)

BattleMan69Feb 13, 20164 votes

If you think master yi is in an ok spot now then you are wrong

lolptwoFeb 13, 20163 votes

Ya man he's so freelo that he has a 0% play rate in LCS, where actual money and sponsors is on the line. SO OP

BattleMan69Feb 13, 20164 votes

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Ya man he's so freelo that he has a 0% play rate in LCS, where actual money and sponsors is on the line. SO OP

There's a difference between teams who can verbally communicate and have been playing together for a long time and 5 random people in solo queue.

lolptwoFeb 13, 20162 votes

He's also hardly used in High Elo play in Solo Q and has a very terrible win rate if that helps.

BattleMan69Feb 13, 20161 votes

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He's also hardly used in High Elo play in Solo Q and has a very terrible win rate if that helps.

Azir has a pretty garbage win rate too, is he a bad champion? What about heimerdinger? Win rates aren't everything

lolptwoFeb 13, 20162 votes

Nobody is complaining that Azir is OP, people are complaining that Master Yi is OP. That is the whole argument here. Once again nobody is complaining Heimerdinger is OP

BattleMan69Feb 13, 20161 votes

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Nobody is complaining that Azir is OP, people are complaining that Master Yi is OP. That is the whole argument here. Once again nobody is complaining Heimerdinger is OP

You are using win rate as indication of power, and I'm using 2 examples to dismiss that ironclad theory.

lolptwoFeb 13, 20161 votes

I'm using pick win, and win rate and experience as an indicator of power. Maybe i'm just a God then, Master Yi is easy shit to play against.

BattleMan69Feb 13, 20161 votes

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I'm using pick win, and win rate and experience as an indicator of power. Maybe i'm just a God then, Master Yi is easy shit to play against.

What does pick rate have to do with anything? Some chamchamp are more popular than others simple as that

lolptwoFeb 13, 20161 votes

You're right my bad, however it doesn't change the fact that Master Yi quite simply is not complained about in High Elo. He's a very easy champ to deal with and is not banned whatsoever.

Ban rate is a great thing to look at also, watch how it deviates per Rank.

CrossetteFeb 13, 20161 votes

Cowsep.

lolptwoFeb 13, 20165 votes

Cowsep? What does that have to do with anything.

Scrumm. Oh look Talon is OP

Gross Gore. Oh look TF is OP

Annie Bot. Oh look Annie is OP

Just because someone mastered the champ doesn't make it OP. and Cowsep also get destroyed a lot of the times too

CrossetteFeb 13, 20161 votes

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He's also hardly used in High Elo play in Solo Q and has a very terrible win rate if that helps.

In reference to Yi. You can say he's hardly used, but that's why he has a 53% winrate with a 11% play rate in plat+ ranked, where apparently the game is perfectly balanced. http://champion.gg/champion/MasterYi/Jungle

Speaking of perfectly balanced, eat shit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e31OSVZF77w

MCBiggah99Feb 13, 20161 votes

Master Yi is overpowered up until masters, up to diamond you're golden as Yi because you get to control the flow of your jungle whilst others don't know how to affect it as well as they do in masters/challenger. Platinums don't know how to deal with Yi, nor do diamonds.

lolptwoFeb 13, 20161 votes

I agree to a certain extent. "Control the flow of your jungle". Nice I like that, now we're talking high elo!

Champs like Kindred ( who is highly contested and banned in high elo) is extremely good at doing this stuff. Yi is actually quite bad as controlling his JG against invaders. Diamonds do know how to deal with Yi. Trust me on that one, I can't speak for Masters, I've never been there. Platinums for the most part know how to deal with Yi, but it's mostly in terms of counterpicking obvious counterpicks then utilizing them with their "OK" mechanics. Ex: Picking Shen, using W tadaa no auto's for Yi.

YCitizenSnipsYFeb 14, 20161 votes

You cut off is below plat right? Because there is this handy little website that takes stats from only plat+

http://champion.gg/statistics/#?sortBy=general.overallPosition&order=ascend&roleSort=Jungle Now I don't know about you, but I'd say that he is doing pretty well in high elo against all you expert on balance and game knowledge.

The Bearded BardFeb 13, 20164 votes

Currently silver and I couldn't agree more.

Dominick DestineFeb 13, 20164 votes

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Riot balances off HIGH ELO, NOT BRONZE so if you are Bronze making comments about how the game should be balanced to your liking. Maybe you should LEARN the game before complaining about it. Also I'm aware 90% of the community is Silver and below and would find this offensive but I don't care, you need to hear the truth of why Riot balances the way they do.

The cold, hard truth.

But since most of the forum is bronze, they will of course be upset.

Lost RFeb 13, 20163 votes

Climbing up the ranked ladder, I keep encountering these hiccups. Everyone wants to go all AD melee assassin down here, and anyone who plays smart for even an instant is going to run roughshod all over them. I've done it multiple times, and no one seems to learn, even when I point it out. That's why you have everyone banning Yi, Udyr, Mundo, Kench, and all these other AD melee assassins and ultra tanks they don't plan on playing; they never think to build armor pen, grevious wounds, percent-damage or other anti-tank items. I've chunked Mundo as Wukong, CONSISTENTLY, and I wasn't even fed at the time.

People need to think about the strengths and weaknesses of the various champions, not just play the one they like, and the various items and what they're good against. Above anything else, they need to stop being a slave to meta stats.

lolptwoFeb 13, 20162 votes

There is players out there like "Scrumm" who exclusively play one champion and get to top challenge with it. Learning how to play the game is the best way to climb. You're absolutely right, there is some strong "in meta" champions, but no champion that is freelo.

Getting to challenger playing 1 champion only goes to prove what can be attained by mastering a champion. Many players have done this, From Gross Gore, Annie Bot, Heimerdinger NA, and Scrumm. With champions not considered OP at all.

Another great example is when Darius was very very strong admittedly. This was proved because most LCS games he was insta picked or banned. It was very clear in high elo he was oppressive. Fun fact though. He averaged 14.4 deaths in low elo. People didn't know how to play him! He was like 90% banned but if he somehow got through bans, Bronzes were downright awful with him.

Lost RFeb 13, 20161 votes

I try to have about four or five champions for EACH role that I am comfortable playing with, but in recent memory, I started playing new champions to get to Mastery 5 with all of them. I haven't touched my mains in months as a result as I try to get at least decent with ALL of the champions, but I've relapsed into playing Braum a lot more in ranked since I can mop the floor with the enemy with him. The problem is any blind failings the enemy can have can just as equally apply to my team. It can be pretty damn rough seeing someone play AP Udyr because they HEARD it's instant win hot shit, or panic because they don't know how to safely take down an Udyr, Jax or Yi because the only thing they know is Yasuo.

GrashnimFeb 13, 20161 votes

#SmurfInfluence

BeanwaterFeb 13, 20161 votes

I think some people will actually agree with you but think the game should be balanced around poor play, which is the thing that is actually saddening.

lolptwoFeb 13, 20161 votes

The game would be more broken than ever if balanced around poor play. It means you would become INSANELY oppressive at high level of play with certain champs.

Yi would be nerfed and balanced at Bronze and Azir, Syndra etc.. would be buffed to shit. Once you actually learn the mechanics of high mechanics champion you would be a freight train.

SiytherFeb 15, 20161 votes

the game should be balanced around the average player period. Go take a game design class ppl. Seroiusly if u balance around the worst or the best players is stupid as hell. Im also not saying to balance anything on a bronze teir but just cause i aint master or higher doesnt mean that im not smart enough to figure shit out and if u think that ill will gladly school some ass in knowledge. I am pretty damn sure that the average player in League isnt anywhere near pro level and most likely sits aroung gold to plat.Those are the ppl Riot should be asking for help in balancing this game.

iTaLenTZFeb 13, 20161 votes

I was diamond 2 last season and I have barely played ranked this season because the state of the game is pure cancer. Balance has never been worse. I have practically given up on season 6 already.

lolptwoFeb 13, 20161 votes

Can you elaborate what you dislike about the game? "pure cancer" is a very obtuse statement

iTaLenTZFeb 13, 20161 votes

Literally every change they made so far and I have been around since season 3. Each season the game would improve, this season the game is garbage

MasterSomethingFeb 14, 20161 votes

I'm silver, I don't find the game unbalanced. Hell, I don't even FIND the champs people complain about (they aren't even banned...).

I still suck at the game though.

lolptwoFeb 14, 20162 votes

I suck at the game compared to Challenger and Master players. I don't understand why most people aren't like you and let their hubris give them a false sense that they are better than they are. It's really funny to go smurfing and be 14-0 against someone mid lane, and watch them make an abundance of really really weak funny excuses as to why i'm flat out better than them. Guess what, I'm not better because my champ is OP, i'm not better because your team sucks, I'm not better because I got lucky, I'm better because I actually never thought I was good so I kept learning and wanting to improve.