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Ahri is such a free lane right now

Barkley··37 votes·5,295 views

I don't play Ahri. Never have, aside from the maybe 10 games I played as her when she came out to see what her kit does. I don't care about Ahri. She doesn't fit my playstyle, and to be honest, I think her champion idea is fucking stupid.

That said, there are plenty of Ahri mains out there who are probably pretty upset right now because their champion is straight garbage.

Whenever I'm playing mid and the enemy picks Ahri, I just smile.

Free lane. Easy game. I get to roam all I want, I get to CS all I want, I can basically just ignore her. Nothing about this champion is threatening.

Her charm is one of the easiest skillshots in the game to dodge. Her Q does basically nothing if you don't let it hit you twice. Her W.... wait, she has a W? Oh... news to me. And her ult is basically worthless.

I remember when Ahri was threatening. Back when she packed a bit of a punch, back when getting hit by her charm meant 50% of your HP or more, depending on the stage of the game.

Now if I get hit by a charm (IF i get hit by a charm... which almost never happens because its such a slow moving telegraphed skill) I'm like "meh. Whatever. I'll dodge the next one." and I lose maybe like 15-20% of my health.

The only time she ever kills me is when I'm going too aggro on her and she charms me while her jungler has me CC'd. And even then, its her jungler that kills me, not her.

On the off chance that my team is dumb enough to feed a roaming Ahri a few kills, I get angry.

Not because I'm going to lose the lane now, but because I have to actually try now. Now its like a regular 1v1 and I might actually have to watch my step. Whereas if some other mid lane champion roamed and got 2-3 kills, I'd just be boned. Not Ahri. Ahri roams and gets 2-3 kills, now she's just a contender. Now I can't be lazy about beating her ass, now I actually have to put some effort into it.

This champion is straight dog shit. Put her on the buff list.

129 Comments

Cosnirak29 votes

her ult is basically worthless.

I want some of whatever you're on...

AirKingNeo10 votes

Remember when the boards literally circlejerked Ahris?

Yeah ok.

Abibyama6 votes

Ah yeah. Ahris with constant -20 or something downvotes

RainXBlade2 votes

Maybe that's because Ahri was too much of a generalist mage back then with a ton of safety.

AirKingNeo4 votes

Ahri hasn't changed since Ahris's complaints.

And Ahri wasn't even complained about anywhere outside the boards.

Penns7 votes

https://i.gyazo.com/6bf2bd59178368ad4f9fccfca02b2280.png

Barkley9 votes

when are people going to learn that win rate is not a balance metric?

What's the average win rate for meta champions right now? 55%? Higher? Look those up and get back to me.

I'd be willing to bet Ahri is comparatively lower.

Penns10 votes

I think ahri isnt super good but also not super bad. She is how mid laners should be, unlike Malzahar Vladimir Anivia right now xd

Linna Excel3 votes

I'm wondering if her winrate is a little high because she can use the ult to keep from feeding too much.

Nut on my Butt2 votes

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https://i.gyazo.com/6bf2bd59178368ad4f9fccfca02b2280.png

This is literally just because she's a safe and easy champion. She is really bad and outclassed at her intended job, and extremely team reliant right now. Your performance playing her is pretty much going to revolve around how well your team is doing.

She is a "carry me pls" pick atm.

Her power budget is spent in the wrong places.

BakedLotion1 votes

If she's a carry me pls pick, then her winrate shouldn't be that high lol... You're basically saying she's weak

Nunu is a carry me pls pick, yet you don't see his win rate that high.

Nut on my Butt1 votes

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If she's a carry me pls pick, then her winrate shouldn't be that high lol... You're basically saying she's weak

Nunu is a carry me pls pick, yet you don't see his win rate that high.

Because she's really safe and not hard to play.

I noticed it most while smurfing towards the end of last season, carrying games as Ahri was very difficult and took so much more effort than every other mid laner I played whenever my team wasn't doing very well. Ahri is by far the champ I have the most experience on, having mained her since release, so when I'm having an easier time making impact with champions where the amount of games I've played as them are only in the double digits, something is wrong.

I win more often as her on my main account than on a smurf, so yeah, "carry me pls" pick.

RainbowIcee5 votes

I don't think there's anything wrong with ahri, i feel she's in the right place atm. She's not as freelo as some champions right now but that doesn't mean she's weak at all. Hell she just got bumped off recently from being one of the OP's. So saying she's thrash tier is making shit up.

Ahris3 votes

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I don't think there's anything wrong with ahri, i feel she's in the right place atm. She's not as freelo as some champions right now but that doesn't mean she's weak at all. Hell she just got bumped off recently from being one of the OP's. So saying she's thrash tier is making shit up.

she was never OP to begin with.

Tzuyu Is My Bias1 votes

She was OP, but not oppressive. They are 2 different things.

Ahris4 votes

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She was OP, but not oppressive. They are 2 different things.

She wasnt op. From what i saw, pros considered her balanced. Only ones whining werr the low elos.

Tzuyu Is My Bias2 votes

No, 20% pickrate and 56% winrate was way too strong for a midlaner like her.

Ahris2 votes

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No, 20% pickrate and 56% winrate was way too strong for a midlaner like her.

She didnt have 56% winrate. She had like 54%. Which is normal for an early game safe champ with decent late game.

It is only fair for her to be there as it was only the q ms that caused her to go to 54%. Which is fine. Her damage was nerfed across the board already.

Edit: she is garbage to play now because she lost everything.

The steam life1 votes

54% is where the strongest champs in the game sit at. Right now no one in the entire game has a 54% winrate besides aurelion sol and he has a 1% play rate so thats fair.

Ahris2 votes

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54% is where the strongest champs in the game sit at. Right now no one in the entire game has a 54% winrate besides aurelion sol and he has a 1% play rate so thats fair.

Oh the strongest champ in League has 54% winrate? Lol.

Highest champ winrate is Taric, followed by Warwick:(https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champions/)

So, is Taric the strongest champ in League? Well if you think so then idk. Warwick is 2nd broken, and Zoe is one of worst champ in game.

This winrate ranking is the champ strength ranking you say?

The steam life1 votes

That site is incredibly innacurate. The generally mutually agreed upon one is op.gg which is where im getting my statistics from. Look at those, see that im right, then try to continue arguing one youve seen the correct statistics.

Ahris1 votes

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That site is incredibly innacurate. The generally mutually agreed upon one is op.gg which is where im getting my statistics from. Look at those, see that im right, then try to continue arguing one youve seen the correct statistics.

So Taric is number 1 and Yorick is number 2 most broken champs in game. Doesnt really change much.

http://na.op.gg/statistics/champion/

So i guess you agree that they are broken?

Tzuyu Is My Bias1 votes

Well, yeah. They are broken.

Ahris1 votes

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Well, yeah. They are broken.

Okay so then Zoe is one of worst champs in game and need buffs too I assume?

Tzuyu Is My Bias1 votes

sure

edit: After consideration, I decided to respond properly instead of ignoring this comment.

Bringing up Zoe is not a very good example for multiple reasons.

Zoe is a very new champion and people are still learning to play as and against her. She has the highest ban rate out of all champions, which reduces the amount of players who get to play her, which in turn correlates straight to her winrate. We have no statistics of her in the hands of an experienced Zoe player yet. Zoe again is the type of champion who will have a low average winrate because she has a high skill ceiling.

Ahri Inari2 votes

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Zoe [...] has a high skill ceiling.

Is this real? She has safe long range and the easiest hard cc skillshot of the entire game on low cooldown leaving a trap in case the player is bad enough to miss it with such a good travel speed, hitbox, range and repositionning tool.

High ban rate also mean she get to play against people purposely letting it open. They ether have a good matchup or matchup experience.

The steam life1 votes

It’s like you don’t know how to extrapolate from data. I would explain it to you but you clearly don’t understand basic statistics.

Tzuyu Is My Bias1 votes

It's sometimes difficult for me to translate my thoughts into english as it is not my native language. I do understand statistics.

The steam life1 votes

You went to the wrong part of the site go to champ rankings. Dont just try to cherry pick results that suit you. Taric is the third ranked support and yorick has a 50% wr. I really dont know why but you somehow never actually accept the results when theyre handed to you.

Ahris1 votes

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You went to the wrong part of the site go to champ rankings. Dont just try to cherry pick results that suit you. Taric is the third ranked support and yorick has a 50% wr. I really dont know why but you somehow never actually accept the results when theyre handed to you.

Then link it to me and not just tell me to search it up lol. So, if Yorick DID have the 2nd highest winrate it will make him broken or not?

EDIT: Also stop making me go to your dumb winrate stats justifying champ ranking. With that logic SO MANY CHAMPS need a massive buff to be in the 50% winrate range.

The steam life1 votes

If his play rate is more than like 1% yeah but it isn’t so dont try to argue a point that isn’t important. Answer my point earlier that pointed out a 54% winrate was extremely abnormal especially with that winrate which you tried to dodge because you didn’t have an actual answer.

iLBGAMing4 votes

God this whole thread with comments is like a long ass book i'm attempting to read lol.

But on the topic note: I am quite glad she's out of the meta for once. She was ALWAYS the good pick and could win every single match up if played right. I'm glad that other champs are getting the spotlight to be played instead of this dumb fox.

2Charmnot2Charm4 votes

I trash people in solo lane but it doesnt matter cause i still cant 100-0 anyone fast enough after laning phase to be useful at all LUL

Rexxiee4 votes

It kind of sucks to play ahri when her whole kit does less dmg than a lot of champs basic rotation, like a zoe E Q auto will outdamge an ahri hitting all her skillshots, its stupid.

She needs some damage back and reward for hitting skillshots.

Linna Excel1 votes

I kind of wish her W was turned into a skill shot so it can do more damage.

meowwow73 votes

i bet anyone can ignore their single enemy if they had another person in lane with them

Barkley13 votes

No arguing that.

Not sure how its relevant to this discussion, but true nonetheless.

meowwow74 votes

well i'm just saying the only game i seen you against ahri was with your premade as ori and malph

Barkley11 votes

so because I duo queued with a top laner (not even a jungler) you're assuming I had someone in my lane all game?

What do you suppose happened to top lane, then? I gotta hear this...

Solo Josh3 votes

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wildfox997 votes

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Have you tried playing Ahri with item 3675? I feel like she could use item 1001.

he was talking about the champion state and how he feels when he play ** against ** her

I don't play Ahri. Never have, aside from the maybe 10 games I played as her

Whenever I'm playing mid and **the enemy **picks Ahri, I just smile. (...)

did you even read before answering?

Solo Josh1 votes

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wildfox996 votes

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But has he tried building item 1001 on her? Thats what I'm asking.

i guess you are trolling or something...

ok,wont answer,it's a waste of time

Liveey3 votes

I feel that Ahri feels like garbage more or less because her entire kit revolves around if her E actually hits.

If E does not hit you wont be dealing much damage if the enemy knows how to literally walk a little more left than usual.

If her ult is down, why bother go in? If her Q is down thats most of her damage. Sure, her cooldowns arent as painfully slow as Morganas. However she has a high cd on ult (Where if she had something like Akali it would be easier for her) also if she misses her E she is basically just not even worth being there. Her team fighting presence is rather low as well.. so..

However she can deal damage dont get me wrong, her kit in comparison to others however feels too simplified and too reliant on one or two abilities that are not up all the time.

Linna Excel1 votes

That's kind of like saying blitz is garbage because his kit revolves around hitting the rocket grope.

Liveey1 votes

Blitz doesnt have to land his q though, he has a knock up and a 30 second burst damage ult and a speedy boost with w.

He has different abilities that allow him to be a utility camel. If he misses Q he can still CC with E or deal a ton of damage with R etc.

Ahri on the otherhand provides no other CC, doesnt have any AOE for teamfights, after she misses charm the best she can do without ult is Q and try to run away. Blitz is at least useful for providing damage in teamfights and a click to win CC. Ahri on the otherhand is underwhelming in any team scenerio and if she misses her charm she might as well not be there.

So I mean it's very different from blitz crank (Sorry it took so long to reply I forgot league existed for awhile)

FairyDoll3 votes

Her damage is sad.

She's always been one of my favorite mids, but I knew right away with the new runes that she was utter trash :/ A lot of mages are trash with new runes.

wildfox991 votes

That said, there are plenty of Ahri mains out there who are probably pretty upset right now because their champion is straight garbage.

true,look at reddit/ahrimains,you see a post about how weak is ahri or about how riot could fix her almost every day

On the off chance that my team is dumb enough to feed a roaming Ahri a few kills, I get angry. Not because I'm going to lose the lane now, but because I have to actually try now. Now its like a regular 1v1 and I might actually have to watch my step. Whereas if some other mid lane champion roamed and got 2-3 kills, I'd just be boned. Not Ahri. Ahri roams and gets 2-3 kills, now she's just a contender. Now I can't be lazy about beating her ass, now I actually have to put some effort into it.

that's exatly how i feel when i play ahri,i have to outplay my enemies and getting feed for being as relevant as they are...sigh

Put her on the buff list.

this wont happen,not before they decite to cut her Q movement speed that makes her too safe

riot team is too stubborn for admiting they were wrong and that the thing which almost every ahri main is saying is right,probably **if ** one day they will try to fix her it will be everything but the problem,as they are used to do :/

edit: you talked about ahri state,get ready for a downvote tsunami [slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

SwiftKitten882 votes

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riot team is too stubborn for admiting they were wrong and that the thing which almost every ahri main is saying is right,probably **if ** one day they will try to fix her it will be everything but the problem,as they are used to do :/

this is make my smile yet simultaneously feel depressed, because it is SOO damn true and hits WAY to close to home. the BIGEST issue riot has to to NOT revert things that were shit ideas, and do take FOREVER (if ever to admit thier mistakes) and then 90% of the time when they do admit it they still only do a half ass job reverting it.

i mean lets take Azir in season 4 the boards were practailly DROWNING in people saying "you cant make his wall impassible the ENTIRE time it up" becuase it broken as fuck. and it takes them what THREE YEARS to freaking admit that THREE FREAKING YEARS. before they do what half the community could see needed to be done within in a single game of facing it.

i swear to god dealing with riot is a love hate relationship, pretty much every team at riot does an amazing job at everything they work at.. lore team, web team, support team and then the balance team is like "wat can we ruin today"

i mean at some times it truly feels like they are freaking TRYING to keep the game imbalanced. like they are TRYING to break things.

i mean just this last patch Morgana change

WHY THE ACTUAL FUCK??

what is VERY first rule in the book. dont try to "fix" whats NOT BROKEN.

who the bloody hell do they think wanted that change. not only is morg LESS fun now, she is WEAKER, and and she has a higher banrate.

but is riot EVER going to admit that this change was stupid... nope..

then we have nidalee my other main "removal of %hp on traps"

did ti EVER fucking cross thier minds that if a 200 damage cap on monsters it too high.. you can LOWER the damn cap. lets say "40? 50? i mean the rework team ALREADY saw this issue.. ALREADY made a cap to try to prevent it. so what does the balance team do with newly reworked champion?

they COMPLETELY change the ENTIRETY of how the skill was newly balance for her new kit, DESTROY her ability to lane because of it.. all because the can't be bother to lower a cap that was ALREADY FUCKING IMPLEMENTED TO PREVENT THIS VERY ISSUE.

the rework team LITERALLY SAW this issue coming.. and coded a cap vs monster into the skill at 200 hp. and yeah 200 hp was too generous.. the rework team wasn't absolutely perfect.

but then the balance team was like " lets screw over all the thought and effort put into reworking this skill and completely gut the shit out of it" lets change it BACK to the pre-rework flat damage, NOT give it magic and armor shread, NOT give it back true sight, NOT give it back the small aoe, and just to top it off.. lets make it do HALF the damage that it did prework.

and three years later.. i got my true sight back.

but i also lost my 800 vision granted on placement.

and yeah have traps invisible now make it so they enemy doesn't know their are they're there so u can spot ganks without then just walking around the damn thing

but honestly.. THEY NEVER CARED the SAME week the change was made and i was STILL playing nidalee in the mid lane.. (unfortunately we had no replay system back then, as this would be priceless if i had the replay) my lane opponent (a TwistedFate he would see me place a trap.. then go OUT OF HIS WAY to walk on it while hover a gold card then use dance so he would just dance gangnam style on it..

why? because there was literally jack shit i could do about it. ironically i ended up with the one lane opponent who realizes i just cant "pounce in" when i get a hunted proc it doesn't work that way. (he prob also played nid, as her playrate was MUCH higher then)

this literally was this playing COMPLETELY trolling me because he know EXACTLY how worthless my skill was changed to be

he choose to take "20 damage" which less than half an auto. to completely and utterly tilt his lane opponent out of their fucking mind, by trolling them about something they were ALREADY severely pissed about.

and this entire time I'm just thinking "i REALLY want to punch that guy in the face", among other things I'm not going to repeat here. because you don't even know what i wanted to do to that guy

Automated Riven3 votes

I think it's funny that all the ahri players have been asking to have that stupid ms boost removed since it got put on.

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