I'm not buying anything from Riot until the game changes...

FederationFurry··3 votes·864 views

and by that, I mean meaningful changes. Less snowball, less damage-centric meta, a slower pace of game. Simply put, not all of us like the collectivist harmogonised hyperactivity of Korea. It doesn't make the game fun to play and makes it less and less accessible each year. Can we please have a time when League was good again?

Defensive items are terrible, please support other methods of play. Stop with the stupid gimmicks and focus on the core gameplay

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Jamaree6 votes

I don’t think they will notice tbh

DGAGAAsharpAGD2 votes

Who cares again?

Soul Dealer2 votes

I love it when a garen with one damage item and the rest of his build is pure tank can just shred my team for no reason. Real fucking great design there riot. So much fucking counterplay.

Jamaree5 votes

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I love it when a garen with one damage item and the rest of his build is pure tank can just shred my team for no reason. Real fucking great design there riot. So much fucking counterplay.

If you are letting a jugg just walk over you and your team like that, that is more on you then him.

The Ecdysiast2 votes

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If you are letting a jugg just walk over you and your team like that, that is more on you then him.

So, juggernauts aren't being played by people now? They're all just AI?

You're saying that as if playing a juggernaut isn't viable at all, despite the great performance most of them have been seeing in higher levels of play.

Jamaree3 votes

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So, juggernauts aren't being played by people now? They're all just AI?

You're saying that as if playing a juggernaut isn't viable at all, despite the great performance most of them have been seeing in higher levels of play.

Not what I said, but juggs like Darius, Garen, Illaoi, and Skarner’s counterplay is they are heavily immobile, sure, some have some mobility options, but they are speed increases which you can just throw a slow at.

FederationFurry2 votes

Well yeah, Juggernauts don't really take any intelligence

Soul Dealer2 votes

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If you are letting a jugg just walk over you and your team like that, that is more on you then him.

Right because I have so much counterplay when garen runs at me at the speed of sound and even if I dodge his q with my e as jax his e still just deletes me and his ult makes it so I can’t be in lane if I’m half hp or lower. Real good design there.

Jamaree2 votes

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Right because I have so much counterplay when garen runs at me at the speed of sound and even if I dodge his q with my e as jax his e still just deletes me and his ult makes it so I can’t be in lane if I’m half hp or lower. Real good design there.

So because Jax has champions that counter him, Juggs need nerfs? Makes sense

Soul Dealer2 votes

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So because Jax has champions that counter him, Juggs need nerfs? Makes sense

No because I have no counterplay to them. Every champion should have a clear weakness in their kit that can be exploited. For example: jax’s weakness is that his counter strike has a long cd early on and is the last ability you max so you can bully him early and keep him from getting to his late game for awhile.

Garen in the other hand has no exploitable weakness. His weakness is that you have to be ranged or you lose. It’s the same thing with all juggs tbh.

Jamaree2 votes

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No because I have no counterplay to them. Every champion should have a clear weakness in their kit that can be exploited. For example: jax’s weakness is that his counter strike has a long cd early on and is the last ability you max so you can bully him early and keep him from getting to his late game for awhile.

Garen in the other hand has no exploitable weakness. His weakness is that you have to be ranged or you lose. It’s the same thing with all juggs tbh.

How is outright losing to half of the games roster simply because they are ranged not counterplay? What?

Soul Dealer2 votes

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How is outright losing to half of the games roster simply because they are ranged not counterplay? What?

It’s not counterplay because there is still half of the roster that cannot do anything to you. If I go and play against a malphite I never think I’m screwed because no matter what champion I pick I can find ways to exploite his weaknesses and beat him in lane if I’m the better player. You can’t do that with juggernauts because they are designed to bully out other melee champions and win lane no matter what.

Jamaree2 votes

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It’s not counterplay because there is still half of the roster that cannot do anything to you. If I go and play against a malphite I never think I’m screwed because no matter what champion I pick I can find ways to exploite his weaknesses and beat him in lane if I’m the better player. You can’t do that with juggernauts because they are designed to bully out other melee champions and win lane no matter what.

Yeah and only win lane, then you get out of lane and it’s like “oh, my non mobile, slow, no tank stat champion designed to be balls deep in five people champion that lacks the tools for such” is getting cced down, guess I just die now.

They only get to win against other melees and if they aren’t able to use their advantage to scale harder then others, they just lose because they are once again, not mobile, low range low cc champions that lack the tools in their kit to transition past the laning phase.

There is a reason why none of the juggs see actual play past low elo, Jax on the other hand.

ZephyrDrake1 votes

"Can we please have a time when league was good" can we please stop with the "I don't like this therefore It's not good and nobody likes it" mentality?

Jamaree2 votes

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"Can we please have a time when league was good" can we please stop with the "I don't like this therefore It's not good and nobody likes it" mentality?

No, the game isn’t how I want, fuck if other players like it.

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