You won't know what a real weak early game is unless you played pre-rework poppy. She was the textbook definition of a hypercarry. However, her laning phase was absolutely terrible since she was pure melee and had no sustain, so she can easily get harassed and zoned off of cs. Once the game hits 40+ minutes, she is almost an autowin as she could literally 1v5 because her ult made her only take damage and cc from 1 person.
Rustling Bush1 votesok? what point are you trying to make?
Eedat1 votesUh, nope. Vayne and twitch are pretty bad early. An archaic kit of a chamion that was reworked because of it really isnt a bar to hold things to
PrinceOfStorms2 votesIf Vayne and Twitch were as bad as they should be early, then "doing very well in lane" would mean 50 CS at 15 minutes and 0 deaths, because they would basically autolose lane.
Eedat1 votesTwitch and Vayne suck ass early. You dont need to be down 100 cs to lose lane. Compring them to garbage old poppy who was changed for a reason is completely irrelevant
PrinceOfStorms1 votesTwitch and Vayne should not come online before 35 minutes. If they're taken outside of botlane, that should be increased to 50 minutes because a brain stem should be the only prerequisite to going 10/0 against a solo lane marksman.
BestJhinUniverse1 votesHigh Mana costs too, But that passive on her was so op. 7 second semi Kayle ulti thank God that is gone
Mizaya1 votesShe wasn't just "bad early game." She was just terribly designed.
