You are already making every ADC op af

Akali is SO HOT·Nov 10, 2015·66 votes·2,948 views

Can you not take away and give it to them as well? Revert sheen and remove crit completely from it. Thanks.

46 Comments

MatezoideNov 10, 201518 votes

Calling it now, Omhwrecker will become an ADC item too.

IpolsNov 10, 20154 votes

40% crit and 50 ad on omhwercker

AutoreactiveCD4Nov 10, 201512 votes

Something like that would never go through. Not without % max health true damage.

For CarthageNov 10, 20153 votes

Oh, come on. Riot wouldn't do that. They'd make it solely to turrets.

That then explode for 100% of their health in true damage in an area of effect if the person using Omhwrecker delivers the final blow.

SpecterVonBarenNov 11, 20152 votes

Oh please, that's way too straight forward. It would instead cause the turret to turn on the enemy team as a giant amplifier for your auto-attacks where the faster you auto the turret the faster it attacks the enemy team.

For CarthageNov 11, 20151 votes

But you're forgetting the TRUE DAMAGE!

Troll for TrumpNov 11, 20154 votes

Hey guys, riot here, and we have decided to introduce some new items for adcs in the preseason patch. item 3089 item 3157 item 3285 : Now all give 120AD, and make their autoattacks do magic damage. Rabadon's gives 30% extra AD for better damage , zhonyas can stop those pesky assassins, and the MS from luden's helps to kite those tanks and bruisers.

item 3707 item 3720 item 3724 : We have decided to remove all other jgl items except Skirmisher's blade and devourers to make sure ADCs are in the spotlight.

item 3362 : removed because ADCs don't need to ward. That is for supports only.

KingopantsNov 10, 20156 votes

It's bad they made that into an ADC item since lots of champs that build it that aren't adcs favour from everything except crit. Gunblade Rageblade Jax is gonna start to make an appearance I guess.

Kitten of EvilNov 10, 20159 votes

Gunblade Rageblade Jax

That just makes me want to call him Grungeblade Jax.

Chaotic ReksNov 10, 20155 votes

i smell a new skin incoming

Kitten of EvilNov 10, 20152 votes

Smells like teen spirit.

Chaotic ReksNov 10, 20155 votes

Smells like ~~teen~~ eggplant spirit.

ftfy

AhhShucksNov 10, 20154 votes

It's going to be better on everyone who currently uses it. I don't see the problem. Nasus likes getting crits, Vi likes getting crits, Ezreal likes getting crits, Jax likes getting crits. They all like CDR better than a tiny amount of AP.

It's going to be ok guys.

LordGeovanniNov 11, 20151 votes

idk if your sarcasm just sucks or you holding out on that riot brand kush that they took from graves.

chipndip1Nov 10, 20153 votes

This item has always had crit to begin with, and Sheen giving cdr is better for mage supports than adcs anyway, so I actually like Sheen the way it is now.

I mean, I'm not sure what necessarily stops someone like Vi from building it anyway.

Akali is SO HOTNov 10, 20159 votes

Assassins that buy Trinity + Bruisers don't like crit chance so increasing the crit chance in exchange for gutting the attack speed (another stat Bruisers and some assassins like) is not a good trade. The CDR just makes it so it's even better on casters like Ezreal which is a 10/10 idea. The item is perfectly fine as is and shouldn't be tweaked so it's even better on ADCs

GigahappytownNov 10, 20152 votes

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Assassins that buy Trinity + Bruisers don't like crit chance so increasing the crit chance in exchange for gutting the attack speed (another stat Bruisers and some assassins like) is not a good trade. The CDR just makes it so it's even better on casters like Ezreal which is a 10/10 idea. The item is perfectly fine as is and shouldn't be tweaked so it's even better on ADCs

what theres like 3 assassins who massively benefit from crit

Akali is SO HOTNov 10, 20151 votes

Who? Yasuo and Shaco are the only ones I can think of. Talon and Zed generally want AD + Armor pen (and attack speed in the case of Zed) but crit is not something they want outside of ghostblade. Khazix doesn't like crit. Riven doesn't like crit.

I guess Yi and Trynd could count but I think they're considered as melee ADCs more than Assassins. But idk.

OyddAWqJ5rNov 10, 20153 votes

Talon wants more crit than you'd think. E + Passive + IE = 316.25% crit damage. His Q hits like a truck. Granted this is late late late game.

Akali is SO HOTNov 10, 20152 votes

He doesn't want crit outside of Ghostblade and IE which is a late game (usually last or second to last) item for him. I've never seen a Talon build Trinity so removing the crit from Trinity wouldn't gut him.

LadyRenlyNov 10, 20152 votes

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This item has always had crit to begin with, and Sheen giving cdr is better for mage supports than adcs anyway, so I actually like Sheen the way it is now.

I mean, I'm not sure what necessarily stops someone like Vi from building it anyway.

Sure, it has some crit, but it was never the main selling point.

I hate the new Sheen. Irelia, Viktor, Sona and Kassadin got good use out of it. I don't really know what the new one is gonna do to change things

CanidaeNov 11, 20153 votes

I am terrified of 5 aps Kogmaw.

NiaphimNov 10, 20152 votes

All these item changes remind me of: "hunter weapon!". Like, anything that can remotely be useful on adcs will now be used by adcs or changed for adcs

Remlap1223Nov 10, 20152 votes

Remove crit? You wot m8?

Smitty ManjensenNov 10, 20152 votes

I love how everyone is ignoring the buffs to tank items.

Akali is SO HOTNov 10, 20156 votes

You think the small buffs to tank items are going to make them immune to the new overpowered ADC overlords?

Smitty ManjensenNov 10, 20154 votes

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You think the small buffs to tank items are going to make them immune to the new overpowered ADC overlords?

Actually the change to last whisper and the items it builds to will somewhat too, If one of the 6 reworked adcs is too strong they will address it, which I believe will be at least graves imo.

Akali is SO HOTNov 10, 20151 votes

Once you get enough bonus armor it is more effective than current last whisper due to higher %penetration. The only difference is that it is much less effective as a second or third buy and isn't effective against squishies that build little to no armor.

AnidanNov 10, 20152 votes

Erm.. it's 40% bonus for the LW upgrades (30% bonus for LW itself), as opposed to 35% total. You're not out-pacing the old LW for an extremely long time - pretty sure they don't meet up in effectiveness until we start getting to armor values that can't be reached in League.

SoMNiaNov 10, 20153 votes

It's true that you can theoretically build enough bonus armor to make the new LW upgrades more effective than live LW. If you looked at the numbers, though, you'd realize that threshold is 7 times as much bonus armor as base armor. Rammus at level 18 would need 836 armor to reach the break-even point. I don't think that's even possible. Let there be no doubt. Last Whisper in all its Season 6 iterations has been nerfed. I mean, unless you're Thresh.

Smitty ManjensenNov 10, 20153 votes

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Once you get enough bonus armor it is more effective than current last whisper due to higher %penetration. The only difference is that it is much less effective as a second or third buy and isn't effective against squishies that build little to no armor.

It has 5% more penetration which isn't much, and that's how it should work, being better against targets who build armor than targets who don't, kinda should have worked that way since ever.

ZT XperimentorNov 11, 20151 votes

That's what they said about juggernauts; but instead they each nerfed each into the ground the next patch. Then basically ignored them afterwords, never even tried to balance them

YCitizenSnipsYNov 11, 20152 votes

Am I missing something? I thought ADC's were supposed to be able to kill tanks? You know the whole high damage dps thing.

SoMNiaNov 10, 20152 votes

The new item 3124 Guinsoo's Rageblade isn't compensation enough?

LordGeovanniNov 11, 20152 votes

didnt they take away the life steal and spell vamp? i used that as a first item jax dueling item it made people think they could duel me by letting them be almost even with me until i reached half hp got a boost in my attack damage and healing allowing me to pick up a kill when they try to get awya too late

SoMNiaNov 11, 20152 votes

Yeah, that got moved to Maw of Malmortius. But now? Rageblade gives double the attack speed (largest bonus from a single item, after the Hurricane changes), stacks twice as fast on melees, and gives +3 AD per stack, too. On top of the AoE magic damage at full stacks. People are unlikely to think they can duel you when everything around you starts exploding. On the other hand, people are unlikely to be able to duel you. So there's that. Also helps with waveclear/pushing. If you still want that "berserker rage" effect, you can get Maw, too. But Rageblade seems like a really strong first item for melee champs with on-hits and mixed scaling (Irelia, Jax, Yi).

LordGeovanniNov 11, 20152 votes

i never did like Maw of Malmortius if a person doing magic damage is a threat they are most likely doing far more damge than the sheild can even make a noticable dent in

SoMNiaNov 11, 20151 votes

That's not really true. The live version is a 400-point shield plus 40 MR. It can easily add over 1k effective health against magic damage. The new one gives 55 AD, 50 magic resist and 10 armor penetration, and the shield scales with bonus MR. And if you take ANY magic damage while you're low (say, from Corki), you get the bonus attack speed, lifesteal, and spellvamp. I think it's a nice way to itemize against magic damage without sacrificing too much AD. The shield may not be as good as a few hundred actual health, but Spirit Visage doesn't come with AD, arpen, or lifesteal.

LordGeovanniNov 12, 20151 votes

touche still messed up my jax build but it seems worth it after the changes most people start games off with penetration runes and build more later on defense items has been severely lacking. deads man plate was the best thing that happened to defense items since warmogs had its 1% or what ever it was passive and also got the 8% passive for not being hit mostly benificial on jugs though

Doktor XNov 11, 20152 votes

I don't like the Sheen changes either. Most champions have an AP ratio somewhere in their kit. However, there are plenty of champions who buy Trinity Force or would like to buy Trinity Force and are manaless: Rek'sai, Shyvanna, etc.. In fact, I remember them giving Rek'sai a better AP ratio just to make Trinity Force viable on her.

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/4q7zYFAK-reksai-qa-completed?comment=000e

If anything, I'd like to see Sheen build from an Amp Tome and drop the sapphire crystal. But hey, I'm an Akali player, and this would make Lich Bane a much more attractive purchase. (I think the Gunblade changes are going to hurt her a bit. Spellvamp is better than lifesteal on her, and she made good use of the old active.)

LordGeovanniNov 11, 20152 votes

and item 3508 the crit and cool down passive makes it nearly unusable on anyone but adcs and gp when neither of them even used to build this item most of the time

ZT XperimentorNov 11, 20151 votes

Not to mention it lost it's life-steal passive & mana-recharge; now it's useless on anyone without crit-chance :/

LordGeovanniNov 12, 20152 votes

until i played earlier i didnt even realise it lost its lifesteal. adcs mostliklely wont even use this item so they just made the item unusable for everyone any one who is caster enough to have mana problems constantly wont be autoing enough mid to late game to crit to regain mana and any one who is critting enough to regain the mana most likely killing the enemies no problem and have low mana costs (cought vayne and sivir cough) only adc i see useing useing this item where they can take advantge of the crit and and still be casting spells enough for the cdr to and mana regen to make sense is jinx with her hyper long range harass and q rockets

FefnilNov 11, 20152 votes

Actually, the 10% cdr benefits bruisers way more than marksmen. I agree that crit and the nerfs to the other stats are bullshit, but that cdr is actually the best buff they could give to it. Considering the avg ap ratios, those 30 ap were not actually giving that much of a boost, while 10% cdr is instead a huge thing. I would be pretty happy if they reverted all the changes except the ap to cdr one.