Can we revert the Maokai rework?

General Esdeath ·May 24, 2017·8 votes·579 views

I miss tanky Maokai and not 65% pickrate mage support Maokai. Seriously, Riot what's with this "tank rework"? Why not have his E scale with HIS HP instead of the enemy?

11 Comments

MysterQMay 24, 20176 votes

You become a support. Zyra YOU become a supporr. Malzahar YOU Become a SUPPORT. Maokai EVERYBODY BECOMES A SUPPORT.

ChønklordMay 24, 20172 votes

But then they nerf them after they become supports because "oppressive laning".

Now it's:

Zyra You get gutted.

Malzahar YOU get gutted.

Maokai YOU (will) get gutted.

EVERYONE ~~WILL BECOME A SUPPORT~~ WILL GET GUTTED!!!

Don't even get me started on how every champion is slowly either getting gutted into oblivion, and/or being pigeon-holed into only one. specific. style. of. playing. or. itemization.

Fizz ~~AP Tank, AP Bruiser,~~ AP Assassin

Ekko ~~AP Tank, AP Bruiser,~~ AP Assassin

MasterYi ~~AP Build (Top/Mid Lane),~~ AD Jungler

Alistar ~~AP Tank (Top), AP Jungler,~~ Support

Fiddlesticks ~~AP Support, Mid/Top Laner, Jungler~~ no longer viable in the meta

Hecarim ~~AP Top, AP Mid,~~ AD Jungler

Lulu ~~AP Tank Top, AP Mage Mid,~~ Support

Rammus ~~AP Tank Top, Jungler~~ gutted

Sion ~~Bruiser Jungle~~, Top Lane, Support

##~~Hurray for off-meta creativity and unique fun builds!~~ Fuck you, you will only play champions the way we dictate you can. Anything different from the status quo will be nerfed, gutted, and rendered useless.

SpoofghoulMay 24, 20174 votes

AP Yi was legit cancer

i know because i played it, and i played it because it was cancer to deal with spam q nuke everyone death

legit kill people while being untargetable with instant resets on assists/kills sounds fun?

You can q on someone then use lichbane and oneshot a carry then use q again and kill their other carry then use q again and kill their sup/bruiser then use another q for the most tanky enemies

and you were untargetable for the entire time of it

there was a very good reason it got destroyed lol

RalanrMay 24, 20171 votes

So many of these were terminated for good reason or are just really weak right now.

Cosmic WarperMay 24, 20171 votes

If you bothered to look at winrates and stats, maokai top has a 48% winrate while support maokai is down to 48% after this patch... maokai support isn't as good anymore, and maokai top is back to being an average pick. Maokai top could use some buffs, but that's it. Maokai support will not be a thing anymore once people realize that his sapling damage and mana cost was nerfed substantially for support.

General Esdeath May 25, 20171 votes

Hence the revert I want, I'd rather not see another champ become garbage after a rework

Iota ThetaMay 24, 20171 votes

The only real difference is he doesn't have a 40% damage reduction ult. He's still incredibly tanky, especially against casters, with the way his new heal works, and it's gonna get stronger later in the matches with the next patch.

His E scaling off his own health as opposed to the target's wouldn't work the greatest. One of the purposes of the tank update was to reduce the amount of straight damage a tank can deal. If his saplings scaled off his own health, he'd be dishing out a fair amount of damage while building tank, which people would only complain about further. "Why does he get to build full tank and deal damage because of it?!"

Saplings are better for the slow and the vision now. If he wants them to deal more damage, he has to actually sacrifice tankiness for a damage build, but then all he can do is throw saplings because he would die too quick if he enegages. AP support is all about that cheese. The base 8% was to allow him some form of relevance in damage through the entire game without feeling oppressive. The AP scaling was what made it oppresive with a total of +4% per 100 AP when thrown in a bush, so people just stacked AP, but it's about as bad as full AP Malphite.

I dunno, I still think tank Mao is the best build and fairly strong, but that's one man's opinion

General Esdeath May 25, 20171 votes

Simple solution to the E damage is to still have it work around bushes for the full damage, just not based on the enemy HP