I know Riot plans to release the changes in 6.24 and not this patch, but I'm just wondering if you guys came up with another idea that you liked better, or if you're just holding off to tune the numbers
Somebody mentioned a 'new mechanic' for Garen - presumably not armor shred? Are you guys willing to tell us what it is?
RiotMeddler3 votesThe Armor shred's still looking promising. Needs more testing though.
Big Lincoln2 votesDo you think this will create a bit of an abuse case in his extra synergy with 
, since both will stack to more than what Darius gets for himself where Garen gives it to his whole team, or is that intended to be a new potential niche for him?
also thank you for the reply
DragonShea1 votes[{quoted}](name=Big Lincoln,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ZY71Nbl5,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2016-11-18T02:35:32.676+0000)
Do you think this will create a bit of an abuse case in his extra synergy with
also thank you for the reply
Either that, or he will now be getting 
as his E can crit.
Big Lincoln1 votesit's not really enough, i feel, to be worth warranting. only 20% just isn't really enough. if there was a nice crit item for bruisers he would be very strong, I feel
DragonShea1 votes[{quoted}](name=Big Lincoln,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ZY71Nbl5,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2016-11-18T02:46:42.809+0000)
it's not really enough, i feel, to be worth warranting. only 20% just isn't really enough. if there was a nice crit item for bruisers he would be very strong, I feel
True, 
used to give crit, but I wonder if a jugg crit item would be added. I get that it may be something that reduces crit damage but gives HP as to discourage ADC's from abusing it and becoming tanky while brusiers that don't needs a lot of crit would like it because they don't barely need it.
Big Lincoln1 votesI would say either an item with low % crit value so it's not very impactful as IE + Zeal item but IE + this item is still enough for juggernauts
or an item sort of like Atma's, but instead of getting extra AD with your health, you might get a scaling crit % up to a modest cap like 15 or 20% crit. probably would be an issue by bring bruiser yasuo back from the dead, but it's all I can think of
or we could just bring back atma's and make it bonus health.
FAT MOUNTAIN1 votesHow about making it melee only. That would be pretty dope
DragonShea1 votesHow about making it melee only. That would be pretty dope
Cool but one problem: 
RiotMeddler7 votesThat's a niche we're exploring deliberately - seeing whether there's some good distinction in Garen being a juggernaut you bring if you've got heavy physical damage elsewhere on the team you want to amp.
Big Lincoln2 votesso you want to position him as a less selfish version of Darius? actually doesn't sound like a terrible idea; eager to see some improvements for any juggernaut, they're my favorite group :)
have you guys considered changing his passive to play a more active role in sustaining through teamfights? A common complaint is how he has to leave fights to heal up, when juggernauts are supposed to go in and stay in. is that also a niche you'd like to enforce, a more in-and-out playstyle?
l Helios l1 votesYou have to think the armor shred is meaningless against his villain, so it makes him better against hard tanks, but it doesn't increase abuse against a low armor ADC who is the villain. That's kind of nice
Shadow Hazard1 votescan you look at his passive too?
NovaDisk1 votesThis seems like a reasonable buff, since Armor Shred is pretty common on a lot of other bruisers as well (Jarvan, Renekton, Nasus, Wukong, Xin, Vi, Jayce, and Sion all have Armor Shred, and others such as Darius and Yasuo have Armor Ignore).
DeathBurst1 votesYou pretty much always have at least one other physical damage dealer in the ADC, so that's a pretty wiiiiide niche you're giving him here. Moreover, Garen out-of-combat regen, good move speed and slow resist on Q make him a very decent split-pusher, and probably the best among the Juggernaut class except Nasus, and on top of that he is pushed towards that strategy by the fact he provides no team utility except on the rare occasion where his silence can disrupt a Diver's combo. But a split-pusher doesn't really want to amp his team.
So, overall team-wide Armor shred is always good, not a really situational niche, but detract Garen from his current strengths. It's definitely a buff, and I won't refuse it given Garen's current state, but I'm not convinced it's a good long-term buff.
Malicious Metal1 votesWell, Justice will be served, regardless of enemy armor.
I think it fits him nicely.
ChickenWrap1 votesWas Shaco's Backstab not applying Thunderlord's deliberate, or an oversight that just hasn't been fixed since launch?
Requiemsfire1 votesDarius has armour shred on his apprehend.
Big Lincoln1 votesdarius has armor ignore.
Requiemsfire1 votesOh that's my bad, it gives him armour pen.
Critmaster Garen1 votesThe Armor shred's still looking promising. Needs more testing though.
can you please look into giving him some form of in combat sustain?
it would be nice not to get drain tanked through a spin, and then get killed when the ability is on cooldown and you have nothing but auto attacks to work with.
the best i could come up with so far is sacrifice a bit of his lvl 16 out of combat sustain by changing his passive regen to % missing health scaling, and giving him some way to activate it in combat, so he can bridge the time when his spin is on cooldown.
for example for each tick he hits an enemy with the spin, he stacks up a little bit of time his passive is activated when the spin ends. maybe you can come up with something better.
the armor shred is really nice, but i dont think that in the long run it fixes his issues of losing extended trades against champions with lifesteal or other sustain mechanics.
its weird for a jugg not to be able to take extended fights, but play with a hit and run playstile. doesnt really fit garen thematically either. hes not mobile enough to be played like an assassin or skirmisher.
and the most important part is. cleaver is a really good item for him stat wise. its an item you want on him in really almost all of your games at some point. so he can already buy armor shred. what he cant get anywhere is some effective way to stay in fights.
i feel like making some scaling changes to his passive, and making it interact with his w or his spin makes more sense.
Calabok1 votesI hope they do not stack. that would be bad for everyone else.
Big Lincoln2 votesthey already did stack when they were up on PBE.
how come you never respond directly to posts but make one separately
Critmaster Garen1 votesI hope they do not stack. that would be bad for everyone else.
if they add it, and with the same values, they would stack multiplicative up to 55%.