Can We Get a Magic Pen/Grievous Wounds Item Tailored for AP Assassins?

Unlucky47··4 votes·866 views

Some ap assassins don't have any use for morello which makes it difficult to stop adcs from sustaining through their burst. Akali namely. I also don't like how most ap assassins lose matchups against ad champions for the sole purpose of them buying maw first item. Besides sorc boots, there's no good magic pen item to rush in lane. Something that gives a little ap and magic pen as a component for an item that give grievous wounds, a little more ap and magic pen would be great.

There would need to be a way to make this item less attractive for mages though because I could see the problem in champions like syndra or cassiopeia getting their hands on it. I'm not quite sure how to accomplish that but any ideas on that would be appreciated.

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ChaddyFantome1 votes

No. Having no mana and having less optimal build options in regard to it is the price you pay for as a champion with energy or no resources. Riot has gone on record saying so. Besides, Akali can build item 3123 and Kata has GW in her kit.

Unlucky472 votes

that does not address the fact there's no magic pen I can rush in lane to combat someone rushing maw

ChaddyFantome1 votes

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that does not address the fact there's no magic pen I can rush in lane to combat someone rushing maw

item 3020 item 3001 item 3136 or , you know, just get more ap.

There is so much AP in the game and it scales so much harder than AD that if you have enough of it, Maw is a joke.

Veigars regularly blow people up through their Maws mid game.

Unlucky471 votes

Have you played akali in lane against a zed or talon building maw? The only way to win that matchup is to snowball off of others because you sure as hell won't kill them. I'm only asking for a component similar to serrated dirk but with magic pen so I can do more against it.

ChaddyFantome1 votes

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Have you played akali in lane against a zed or talon building maw? The only way to win that matchup is to snowball off of others because you sure as hell won't kill them.

How is this any different than when mids rush Zhonyas against Talon or Zed? if anythign its worse because they also have an invincibility button on top of it.

Also, i fail to see anythign wrong with the situation you described. Go kill sidelanes instead. Its' what AD assassins do when the midlaner rushes Zhonyas. You don't need to be able to solo-kill your opposing laner to win the game.

I'm only asking for a component similar to serrated dirk but with magic pen so I can do more against it.

Lethality sucks against targets with armor, especially early game because it scales with the opponents level. Magic pen in its current state is actually a far better answer to early MR than Lethality is to Early armor.

Not only do champs have less base MR and low per level than armor, but Magic pen is exactly the value you get whereas Lethality is actually less than what it looks like on paper.

Leeerzeichen2 votes

Abyssal gives no mpen anymore.

ChaddyFantome1 votes

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Abyssal gives no mpen anymore.

it gives MR reduction/AP damage amp on the aura. =___=

Leeerzeichen1 votes

it gives **only ** magic damage amp on the aura and 10% is a laughable small amount against low mr targets compared to the old mr reduction aura.

ChaddyFantome1 votes

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it gives **only ** magic damage amp on the aura and 10% is a laughable small amount against low mr targets compared to the old mr reduction aura.

the MR reduction aura is the same as the amp. Riot admitted that all they did was change the phrasing to more accurately describe what it was doing all along.

And 10% IS A LOT early game.

Leeerzeichen1 votes

No actually not. Assuming we have a normal ranged champion with flat 30 mr, he would get 100/(100+30)=77% damage. With the old abyssal aura however, he would get 100/(100+30-25)=95% damage. Even in early game, he would get 100/(100+30-10)=83% damage. => without: 100 x 0.77 = 77 = 100% new abyssal: 110 x 0.77 = 84.7 = 110% old abyssal early: 100 x 0.8 = 83 = 1.08% new abyssal late: 100 x 95 = 95 = 123% => the new abyssal is better at level 1 & 2, but it's a bit unrealistic to have abyssal complete at those levels and later on the old abyssal was more than twice as strong

ChaddyFantome1 votes

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No actually not. Assuming we have a normal ranged champion with flat 30 mr, he would get 100/(100+30)=77% damage. With the old abyssal aura however, he would get 100/(100+30-25)=95% damage. Even in early game, he would get 100/(100+30-10)=83% damage. => without: 100 x 0.77 = 77 = 100% new abyssal: 110 x 0.77 = 84.7 = 110% old abyssal early: 100 x 0.8 = 83 = 1.08% new abyssal late: 100 x 95 = 95 = 123% => the new abyssal is better at level 1 & 2, but it's a bit unrealistic to have abyssal complete at those levels and later on the old abyssal was more than twice as strong

What you seem to not be taking in to account tho is that the aura on Aegis was removed. The aura was adjusted in conjunction to its removal. The net change with the MR that it gave to your team on the old abyssal results in an overall no net change.

Leeerzeichen1 votes

100x(100/(100+X-25))=110x(100/(100+X)) => X = 175 aegis had a 10mr aura => even with banshee (70), spirit (55) and aegis (10) (165 total) the old abyssal would be more efficent

ChaddyFantome1 votes

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100x(100/(100+X-25))=110x(100/(100+X)) => X = 175 aegis had a 10mr aura => even with banshee (70), spirit (55) and aegis (10) (165 total) the old abyssal would be more efficent

aegis upgrades had a 20 MR aura.

l Dárius l2 votes

why do people rush maw? so they dont get oneshot by ap champions they are laning against, ydb.

bbQsauçe1 votes

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ChaddyFantome1 votes

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Fizz What about me then?

Just build Morrelo like everyone else.

Guyy Fieri1 votes

Haunting Guise? Sure it's not generally an assasin item but it's still viable on them.

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