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Yup.
Kha Zix was 8/1 before he ever even touched bot lane :) So much fun to have a champ 1 shot you before your skills even land on him (and land they did. Every. Single. Time. Didn't matter because one death = .12 seconds)
Saezio4 votesYeah khazix needs a nerf but your post proves nothing. For all we know that's a smurf smashing a silver game.(i didn't check your match history, so sub silver for whatever tier you play in)
Illabethe1 votesThat game was Gold III. And we were playing correctly, and there's no counterplay to the kit. Everything landing. He would kill before I could even get R to cast on Nami. He would kill before a bubble would land. And he did that to every single champ. Kai Sa would wait until he was "expended" and then W/R him on his dive, and he would miss half his kit, but his CD would be up again before she could kill him (like 20% left).
What's worse is..... he was doing this even when minions/allies were nearby. In other words, Isolation/No Isolation meant no difference.
Saezio3 votesIf you don't show a clip, I find it hard to believe that the 26/3 person was the one missing their skills while your team full of feeders was playing perfectly.
Sorry
Edit: Just found the game. K6 is a smurf. He is stomping all his games And it was a Silver 1 AVG MMR game not a gold 3.
Illabethe1 votesDid I ever say they played perfectly? I said there was no counterplay at that point and even if we did land everything perfectly, and he didn't he STILL could kill us. I was literally dead before I could cast an R. I could get a Q off and land it, but was dead before it dropped. I could build tank but tank wasn't enough not to be 1 shot. Kai Sa could play perfectly and still die, because her kills rely on her passive popping, and she couldn't before he could double hop.
MAJOR difference between saying "We played perfectlly" and saying "Even if we played the FIGHT perfectly."
Saezio2 votesIt's a smurf stomping low elo with Dark Harvest. IDK what to tell you, whatever champ this guy played he would have stomped you.
P.S. I do think K6 needs some nerfs. But this game is not indicative at all. Its a low elo game where a guy named "SMURFING with " is simply crushing people that are of lower skill than himself. It's dark harvest for pete's sake. He ain't even serious
Illabethe1 votesI'm Diamond II and my Duo is Plat I (The Kai Sa)
Dunno "what to tell you."
Saezio3 votesYou are diamond 2 but you have an account with 650 games that is silver and an account with 100+ games that is gold.
And your duo is 700 games 49% winrate gold 4 but is actually plat 1.
And you have those scores in a silver game.
Ok then sure.
On a similar note I am Faker and I "dunno what to tell you" I too have a silver account with 800 games this season and horrible kdas. Just happens cause of all the people playing busted champs.
Illabethe1 votesyou keep trying to use that, and you keep failing, because you already know why this account has 650 games.
My duo and I have won 80% of our games together :)
My KDA's are generally not bad, nor are his? My Nami games for example often have over an 8 KDA. My Morgana games often have over a 10 KDA. Average over hundreds of games is 3.4-4 KDA.....
FioraWillCarry2 voteslol......busted.
chipndip14 votesThis is a horrible post.
Illabethe1 votesSo is a champ maintaining a 64% Win rate among ALL players who have played more than 100 games on him for over 3 straight years.'
Nidalee used to do that (67%) They nerfed the crap out of her.
chipndip11 votesSo is a champ maintaining a 64% Win rate among ALL players who have played more than 100 games on him for over 3 straight years.'
Nidalee used to do that (67%) They nerfed the crap out of her.
Whether K6 is overtuned or not isn't the reason why this is a bad post.
It's a bad post because the example you provided for the point you're trying to make (the enemy team provided 0 counter-play) is abysmal.
Illabethe1 votesExcept Kha Zix literally DOES have 0 counterplay/forgiveness when he has a lead. That's WHY he's overtuned. That's why he's been top tier for 3+ years. He doesn't NEED Isolation to do his job (nearly 90% of this Kha's kills were NOT Isolated, had no team help, and literally did 95% HP damage before he even auto attacked after leaping. There was no build that could be used as counterplay. You were dead before any CC could even land. He was killing people under turrets so fast the turret never even got a shot off before he Leaped Out.
His team literally did nothing. Look at their damage. The sum of his damage literally totals more than their entirety. Only his top did damage, and that was because that's where he got fed.
Getting fed doesn't usually mean 1v5. Getting fed usually means a marginal lead that results in more kills but does have counterplay. This didn't.
chipndip12 votesExcept Kha Zix literally DOES have 0 counterplay/forgiveness when he has a lead. That's WHY he's overtuned.
Every character is significantly harder to deal with when they have a strong lead. That isn't the problem. If you want to deal with a fed K6, draft champions that can or don't feed him in the first place. You don't get to complain about who's fed or not when you're 2/11/3 on an enchanter support.
Illabethe1 votesI was 2/0/3 in lane, troll. He was literally 1 shotting before a Q could land and interrupting any R the entire game after. it was all HIM. No one else. Maybe you don't know this: Nami's R has a cast time. Kha can kill her before it casts. Q has a .78 Delay on its drop. Kha can kill before it lands. I had 150 Armor!
chipndip11 votesI was 2/0/3 in lane, troll. He was literally 1 shotting before a Q could land and interrupting any R the entire game after. it was all HIM. No one else. Maybe you don't know this: Nami's R has a cast time. Kha can kill her before it casts. Q has a .78 Delay on its drop. Kha can kill before it lands. I had 150 Armor!
There's no excuse for dying 11 times without influencing the match AT ALL after laning phase. You didn't so much as touch an ally or an enemy with a single button after laning phase is what you're telling me. That's all you.
Illabethe1 votesNo. When Kha is turret diving with no reprisal, and out in .4 seconds, It's kind of hard to "touch allies." But hey. Most of my Nami games have over 10 KDAs, so what do I know? I only solo kill every ADC in the game with her, heal over 26k, and end up the #2-#3 damage on my team almost every time I play her.
This wasn't wandering around warding risky spots. This was sitting in waves of 10-12 minions, my team nearby, and getting sniped without a damn thing that could be done, under own turrets. No isolation bonuses. Easy in/Out Leaps, even if he got Bubbled (some times he actually got bubbled AFTER the second leap, even though the bubble was aimed at him engaging me. In other words he could peel CC'd)
This was him being 8/1 before he EVER killed me, and us winning our lane.
It's also pretty damn hard to "touch an ally" when they ALL die in one shot. The only person who didn't get 1 shot..... ONCE was Kai sa, and it was because she ulted and got her shield. She was dead 2 sec later, though.
MrFawknSunshine3 voteswhat kind of counter play do you want when a champ is that fed? he is a head. that has nothing to do with this season. it has always been that way. now you get punished if you are ahead and make a mistake and die cuz of bounty gold
Illabethe1 votesFed champs need counterplay, especially when you weren't the one who fed them. I had over 150 Armor on my Nami. Still 1 hit. Still 1 hit without his Isolation.
MrFawknSunshine1 votes150 armor and no hp. ur only real cc on ur team is namis bubble which is a skill shot. plus kha does bonus damage to isolated targets.
and you didnt have 150 armor when he was 8-1 as you claim before he came bot
Illabethe1 votesI literally went from 
to 
. And no. No one had TIME to build an economy. Once again, no opportunity to even counterplay. He could literally 1 shot and hop right back out of turrets, and survive even if a Bubble landed on him under turret.
MrFawknSunshine2 votesright, cuz he was already fed and frozen heart dont give hp. so 100 armor on a champ with 1100 hp isnt gonna sustain alot of damage. and your team had no point and click cc to legit stun him.
Illabethe1 votesRanduin's or RoA or Thornmail also all would have still been 1 shot on Nami at that point....... I know what you're saying but Armor is the primary first counter vs a Kha. HP is supplementary, and a Support has a budget.
MrFawknSunshine1 votesi am a support main ...
i understand the budget of a support.
Illabethe1 votesSo why are you trying to say HP is primary vs a Kha?
MrFawknSunshine1 voteshp makes you be able to tank more damage
and if you get HP with a lil bit of armor it makes you over all more tanky then just getting ARMOR with no HP
regardless of the champ you are facing
Illabethe1 votesIf you don't get Armor, damage is Amplified because Kha builds Lethality, has DH, and and sudden impact. He literally does BONUS damage if you rush HP, negating any HP you built.
P.S. It doesn't make you tanky at all vs % damage champions.
Armor ALWAYS scales faster vs Lethality than HP.
MrFawknSunshine1 votesbut frozen heart? vs a fed ad caster?
he isnt auto attacking
you needed armor and hp which is what i have said over and over.
LightswornLance1 votesWhy are you building frozen heart? Build hourglass to counter assassins.
kittylover1111 votesAsSaSsInS aRe BaLaNcEd BrO!
Riot doesn't care, assassins have been overpowered for going on 7 years now. It's what they want.
Saezio1 votesYou must be joking.
Assassins only became viable in season 8.
All previous seasons they were useless, with the exception of the odd zed LB or fizz they were unplayable past diamond.
LightswornLance1 votesYour team actually seems like they could counterplay him pretty easily, one ahri charm and hes dead. If he doesnt die right away then chain cc him into darius pull and nami bubble. It's not like he could actually 1v5 your team. But I mean its like you said he was 8/1 before he ganked your lane meaning he was insanely fed. It gets alot harder to counterplay someone when your behind. How would you like it if you got fed and some 1/11 tristana could just oneshot you?
Illabethe1 votesTrying to say a 1/11 Tristana 1 shotting is what I'm trying to point out is ludicrous. A 1/11 Tristana + 2-3 teammates should be able to shut down a target without 1 person or 2 dying. Kha literally CAN 1v5 a team, because he uses one R hop per target, and he can have up to 3. Leap + W one person = Dead. Leap + Q another person = dead. Leap + auto = third person dead. That's what Kha can do, and then shortly reset and kill the other two, and his Leap has the longest Dash range in the game.
LightswornLance1 votesHis dash is pretty slow, just cc his landing point. Literally if you guys hit any one of your AOE CC's on him he would be dead in a second with a full team focusing him. Ofc this is a likely diamond player smurfing on silvers so what do you expect.
Hayaishi21 votesHis dash is pretty slow, just cc his landing point. Literally if you guys hit any one of your AOE CC's on him he would be dead in a second with a full team focusing him. Ofc this is a likely diamond player smurfing on silvers so what do you expect.
"Just cc him bro" It's season 9, this isn't a good argument anymore.
LightswornLance1 votesShes asking what the counterplay to a champion 1v5ing her team is. The answer is CC. If you get malphite ulted into nami bubbled into yasuo ult I dont think you will be 1v5ing today or any other day. Just because it's season 9 doesnt mean CC is any less effective.
Hayaishi21 votesShes asking what the counterplay to a champion 1v5ing her team is. The answer is CC. If you get malphite ulted into nami bubbled into yasuo ult I dont think you will be 1v5ing today or any other day. Just because it's season 9 doesnt mean CC is any less effective.
Season 9 means we've heard that BS excuse "just cc them" as if the enemy was braindead and doesn't know that he has to avoid your CC.
LightswornLance1 votesI mean if you guys miss / he avoids 4 cc's then maybe he deserves the penta.
Illabethe1 votesGod you like to not read and troll. WE HIT CC. WE STILL DIE BECAUSE CC DOESN'T STOP THE LEAP FROM COMPLETING. EVEN IF YOU CC HIM, the Leap will finish where he aimed, and he can W you from there and finish you OFF. THAT'S HOW HIGH HIS DAMAGE IS RIGHT NOW.
THAT'S WHY HE HAS A 64% WIN RATE AMONG ALL PLAYERS WHO HAVE 100+ GAMES ON HIM.
LightswornLance1 votesIf he's able to W then hes not cc'ed. I'm talking chain cc where you layer multiple cc's together and they arent able to act for multiple seconds. Any person with 100+ games played on a certain champion is better than your average silver andy playing them and bound to have a higher winrate. That said he didnt need that latest buff, but that 10 damage buff isnt going to let him 1v5 you. At best it will make it easier for him to get fed, but theres no way he can 1v5.
Illabethe1 votesHe can W while he is in the air even if CC is dropping on him..... euh. You really have no clue and aren't worth EVER responding to.
LightswornLance2 votesIf your cc hasnt hit him and he isnt actually cced well then yeah he can w but unless hes 6 levels and 3 items ahead of you, your not dying from w e. Again if he is able to W hes not cced. Are you really this salty over a loss hours ago?
Illabethe1 votesYou obviously don't read. I'm not interested in "Just CC him" because he can kill the CCer before their CC even hits. P.S. There were only 3 CC on our team, and 2 were me, and I never missed him. Didn't make me any less dead when he Leap > W'd. I'd die, he'd be bubbled. But I couldn't even use my R, because I'd literally be dead before it casted. Happened 4 times. And if I tried to R before he was willing to commit, it'd just get wasted while he would retreat.
LightswornLance2 votesIf your team only has 3 cc abilities your team comp is pretty garbage and is just asking to get rolled. Also it's 4 because darius pull + nami bubble + nami ult + ahri charm. If your asking why you cant carry as a support I dont know what to tell you.
Illabethe1 votesHas NOTHING TO DO WITH CARRY. 1 dude was able to 1v5 while his team sucked, because of his champ.
Kha Zix has the longest running 60%+ Win rate among people who play him of ANY champion in the GAME and has for 3+ years.
LightswornLance2 votesHis team doesnt seem like they suck... They all have less deaths than him ffs.
Illabethe1 votesThey have less deaths because he kept MY team killed. They were losing all but top!
LightswornLance1 votesJudging by the stats it seems like everyone on their team played well except the ADC and at least she took objectives.
Illabethe1 votesLOOK AT DAMAGE DONE ETC. Most were on our level and LOSING. The only reason they have a decent score is because my team was PERMA DEAD.
LightswornLance1 votesKayle and Malphite both had more damage done than anyone on your team, and morgana is the support.
