Kayle will be the most broken champion in patch 5.13 (2000 aoe dmg/second)

Budupops··6 votes·2,790 views

New: "Passive: Kayle's Basic Attacks deal an additional 10/15/20/25/30 (.15 AP) magic damage on hit. Old: Active: Kayle increases her Attack Range by 400 for 10 seconds and the passive bonus is increased to 20/30/40/50/60 (+0.25) magic damage on hit. In addition, enemies near her target take 20/30/40/50/60 (+20/25/30/35/40% AD) (+0.25 AP) magic damage on attack."

Now becomes "Sated " at 30 stacks. Base magic damage on hit increased to 30 from 25 Passive Changed to "Devouring Spirit" - Takedowns on Larg monsters and champions increase magic damage by +1. Takedowns on epic monsters increased by +5

Sated: "This unit's Devourer is Sated. Basic attacks deal X bonus magic damage and every other basic attack will trigger on Hit effects twice."

Let's take a look at kayles build:item 3726 item 3085 item 3091 item 3153 item 3071 item 3006

This means that every second attack will deal item 3726 120 magic damage item 3153 16% of current health item 3091 84 magic damage and remove 10 magic resist item 3071 10 % armor shred From those 4 items.

Then her kit: Passive: 6% magic resist and armor shred E Passive: 60 (.3 ap) magic damage E Active: 120 (.5 ap) magic and 120 (.8 ad) (.5 ap) magic to those around the unit being attacked

This is a total of 384 (.8 ap) magic damage plus base ad plus the armor shred. (Not sure how shred stacks).

And now we go to there fun part. item 3085 This means basically every single attack is going to be a sated attack and will apply to 3 targets. Plus kayles has 2.5 atk speed with this build. So in ONE SECOND you will be dealing around 1500 mixed aoe damage. (Too lazy to do exact math and it depends on event stats) I see this becoming very problematic but also extremely hard to balance because you can't just nerf kaylee or devourer because then those will not be good. They could make it so sated bonus doesn't attack with hurricane.

Tldr: around 1500 mixed damage a second late game.

All this stuff just got on the pbe in case you don't read surrender @20.

edit: calculated damage wrong [she does more ;(]

item 3085 makes 3 attacks: that means either the first and third are doubles or the second one is a double. The Damage that will happen in one second. (Without shred) First hit: 192 (.4) magic+100 physical (base ad) +8% current health physical Second hit (runaan bolt): 384 (.8 ap) +100 physical +20 physical (from runaans) +16% current health physical Third (runaan bolt): 192 (.4) magic+100 physical (base ad) +8% current health physical +20 physical (from runaans)

First:384 (.8 ap) +100 physical +20 physical (from runaans) +16% current health physical Second (bolt):192 (.4) magic+100 physical (base ad) +8% current health physical +20 physical (from runaans) Third:384 (.8 ap) +100 physical +20 physical (from runaans) +16% current health physical

Sum it up: 1344 (3.6 ap) (3.6 ad) + 660 physical from base ad and runaans + (53.8% of health ) botrk physical damage per second. (assuming you are hitting the same 3 enemies every attack.)

26 Comments

Ecodeath4 votes

fk kayle

SnugglePuggle943 votes

I don't see the point. She was nerfed to hell so this is good for her. It is probably not as bad as you think.

LilxPaprika3 votes

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I don't see the point. She was nerfed to hell so this is good for her. It is probably not as bad as you think.

She wasn't nerfed to hell though, mainly her q burst with lichbane was a bit much. And she was really strong before the nerfs.

SnugglePuggle941 votes

Yea, therefore she was gutted, and nerfed to hell. If she wasn't, she would much better be a viable pick and more popular, but she doesn't do much damage and people think she is an awful champion and that she sucks. That's why this buff is good for her. Sure it's not making her able to 100-0 people like Kat or Diana but still it helps her a lot.

ExiledTyrant3 votes

Those are some neat changes. I just hope he damage doesn't get to out of control. At least with tryn you can stack a defense against his damage type. I remember how impossible that was when she got going before the nerf.

SquishyArchon2 votes

I can't understand what the fuck you are even talking about....

Captain Aishi2 votes

renekton with empowered W bork and devourer... the burst D:

Vistha Kai2 votes

Do you understand that Kayle's E active damage will remain unchanged?

Budupops1 votes

e is considered an on hit effect

Trídent1 votes

on hit effects won't proc the new devourer, such as Ezreal Q or Warwick 's R(i think), it only procs on basic attacks, which is why a lot of people are complaining about how bad it will be for ww

So: AOE E won't proc Runaans won't proc

Only the target of the E would suffer the effects of the new devourer Kayle won't be much of a problem compared to someone like MasterYi who will become insanely OP according to others if jungle Yi isn't nerfed in some way, or the item changed

Budupops1 votes

it does proc on item 3085

Trídent1 votes

Nevermind, my bad

I think only certain spells that proc on hit effects won't proc sated devourer then

Vistha Kai1 votes

Jinx bot with Smite new meta.

Everybody... PANIC!

Earl Eulrich1 votes

i´m more afraid of yi actually...but i don´t think devourer will get through like that. just doubling on-hit seems a bit over the top, even if it can use some love.

Erockandroll4 votes

[{quoted}](name=Don Eulrich,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ZOKlTM34,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2015-06-26T20:15:17.588+0000)

i´m more afraid of yi actually...but i don´t think devourer will get through like that. just doubling on-hit seems a bit over the top, even if it can use some love.

It will still take time to stack. But it will have a more finite end point that spikes hard in the late game. If it spikes too fast. All we have to do is increase the number of stacks required. I'm guessing that it will make it though.

SkippyWare1 votes

it will prob get nerfed

Rhenoware2 votes

i hope so

ProfDrDeath1 votes

I really doubt that effect will work with Runaan's.

Rather, it is possibly hard-coded as "every other attack". Meaning, it will only apply on every second attack, regardless of what do build or do.

Budupops1 votes

runaans applies all on hit effects. Since they have terrible coding i doubt they would do anything special

lB2kGRlc8y1 votes

So basically, Kayle needs to jungle in order for this plan to work, gl with that.

Budupops1 votes

kayle clear isn't bad. kayle jungle was already a thing before they nerfed her e

Terchio1 votes

First off, Runaan's has never interacted with stackables in the way you have shown. First Runaan's "activates", then once the auto and 2 bolts hit, the next one is purely a charge (no activations whatsoever), and then since that one auto charges it, the next one will then activate, and only on the primary target. That's how it works for Statikk Shiv, Twisted Fate, Kennen, and Caitlyn, maybe others, though they all require more charges. It could be different, but I have my doubts.

Second, it's possible Kayle's splash will double-proc, but we're not there yet. I have my doubts since the closest thing to it is Shyvana's Twin Bite in Dragon Form with Hydra. When multiple units proc Ravenous Hydra that quickly by the same champion, even though multiple splashes go through the unit, they are only effected by one of the splashes because every unit has an internal cooldown of .05 seconds in which they cannot be effected with Hydra's effect once again. I can't say whether Kayle's is like this, but I don't think a little extra splash every other attack is particularly game-breaking with the obscene amount of farm that would require.

Miraweave1 votes

You realize that Kayle's damage output with E active doesn't change right?

Budupops1 votes

e is an on hit. devourer doubles on hit

OyddAWqJ5r1 votes

You're misunderstanding. What he's saying is that the new E passive does NOT stack with the active. The active replaces the passive.

Budupops1 votes

oh

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