"Rek' Sai has a non combat ult due to loaded kit"

Budupops·Dec 14, 2014·108 votes·8,266 views

Mean while 600dmg aoe knockback plus kit more loaded then rek sai edit 1: Thread is at 4.1k views and 100 comments, going to be disappointed if a red doesn't step in.

107 Comments

KeevalroyDec 14, 201450 votes

---> Insert CertainlyT champion here

Salt Miner 49 ErDec 14, 201421 votes

{quoted} ---> Insert CertainlyT champion here

Darius

Magic damage DoT that persists for a few seconds, stacking up to five times
AoE nuke that deals 150% damage in a certain radius around him
Slows attack and move speed as well as dealing increased damage on an auto attack reset that has a CD lowered by passive stacks
AoE pull with +15% passive armor penetration
True damage nuke that resets CD on kills temporarily, deals max damage at 5 stacks

Zed

His entire bloody kit

Kalista

INFINITE DAMAGE POTENTIAL WITH A SLOW ADDED
FREE MOBILE SPOOKY WARDS
CAN THROW HER TEAMMATES INTO YOU
DEALS % HEALTH DAMAGE NUKE WITH LANE PARTNER

Yasuo

2x the Crit chance for -10% damage, and a shield that procs on damage taken. Because 2x damage chance for only doing 240% damage crits with Infinity Edge and giving you 100% chance to crit when other champions would have half that totally isn't bad game design. At all.
Line nuke that can crit or knock you up based on successful hits
FACE THE WIND
Dash that has virtually no cooldown as long as you can dash to an enemy that isn't already marked
Big nuke on a 30 second CD at Rank 3 that gives +50% bonus armor penetration

I mean, for as much as I like some of CertainlyT's champions from an aesthetic standpoint, his design philosophy is worrisome.

KeevalroyDec 14, 20149 votes

You forgot Kalista's infinite dashes after every auto attack that can be used to hop over walls and terrain. Also, any reason you didn't include Thresh?

VDc0zCqe0wDec 15, 20141 votes

didn't certainlyT design Zyra as well?

now you're confusing me o.o

KeevalroyDec 15, 20142 votes

[{quoted}](name=AI Jazyra,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=oFHnEAaG,comment-id=000100000004,timestamp=2014-12-15T16:47:03.689+0000) didn't certainlyT design Zyra as well?

now you're confusing me o.o

He designed her with two other people. The reason she isn't there is because she only needed a few number changes to be balanced. Her kit isn't atrocious like most of his champs.

VDc0zCqe0wDec 15, 20142 votes

she is balanced but rarely played nowadays, to the point that people even forget she was partly made by certanlyt

it's sad when balanced = rarely played xD

even if i'm fine with it, she's playable at least, unlike some other forgotten champs

Bubble BèéDec 16, 20141 votes

Is it bad that my first favorite champ was Zed and still is? I feel no shame.

HibekiDec 16, 20141 votes

I disagree, on darius.

He was done well in the regard of he has one pull, zero mobility and gap closers.

He can get caught out, but don't underestimate his damage.

If he uses grab too early or you dash away before/after he gets to cry in a corner.

But if he DOES get you close enough he can punish you EXTREMELY hard for it.

The other laners on the other hand, get all that, plus mobility.

5 Stacks GGDec 15, 20143 votes

why does ppl complain about his champion he didn't make cancer champ like ori akali or fizz and more those are the real bullshit

KeevalroyDec 15, 20143 votes

{quoted} why does ppl complain about his champion he didn't make cancer champ like ori akali or fizz and more those are the real bullshit

Those are older champions and I feel they can be excused because Riot probably didn't know how they would turn out, and as an Akali player, I agree she does need a rework at some point. What I'm getting at is now that they're experienced with champ creation, there is literally no reason for monstrosities like Yasuo to exist. Nothing about him should be considered healthy for the game.

I thought Wind Wall was the single dumbest idea Riot has ever accepted into a champion's kit, then Kalista was made with that horrible passive that makes her jump around like a spear-chucking frog on top of having the standard CertainlyT overloaded kit. Let's go back to when Thresh was released; why was he accepted as a good idea when there are absolutely no drawbacks whatsoever to picking him?

lightdragoon88Dec 14, 20149 votes

Gnar Giant team wide stun ult while loaded with skills for 2 forms.

Kratos263Dec 14, 201439 votes

{quoted} Giant team wide stun ult while loaded with skills for 2 forms.

And then you remember you don't control the transformation.

Cale017Dec 14, 201431 votes

And then you don't care because Gnar is fun even if you're losing.

EdbwnDec 14, 20148 votes

And then you never lose as Gnar because Gnar.

Cale017Dec 14, 201433 votes

And then you lane against a Garen and realize that Gnar is the single best written champion in the entire League the moment you hear "DEMAGLIO"

EdbwnDec 14, 20146 votes

Lol! Also did you know Garen can taunt and joke and laugh while using his spin2win and he will stop and do the joke/taunt/whatever with the sword blur still spinning (to winning) around him? :D

Cale017Dec 14, 201413 votes

I've never wanted to actually take the time to learn Garen more.

FrikgeekDec 15, 20141 votes

{quoted} learn Garen.

Surely you're joking. There's no such thing as "learning" Garen. It's like saying you need to learn how to breathe.

Cale017Dec 16, 20141 votes

I mean there's more than one build path for him, and you still have to learn his skill order and stuff. By "learn Garen" I mean that I've never once touched him.

KalarepaDec 14, 201419 votes

{quoted} And then you remember you don't control the transformation.

And then you notice Gnar's 100% pick/ban rate in all preseason tournaments and realize, that not controling your transformation isn't really a problem.

lightdragoon88Dec 14, 20144 votes

{quoted} And then you notice Gnar's 100% pick/ban rate in all preseason tournaments and realize, that not controling your transformation isn't really a problem.

NarasimhaDec 14, 20145 votes

And then you notice that not everyone in LoL is even remotely at that level.

BrutalCabbageDec 14, 20149 votes

Uh... I really don't think the comparison OP is making is actually fair. Rek'Sai's lategame DPS is way better than Lee Sin's (with the same number of damage items, of course) and she doesn't really need more damage honestly (60% free permanent AS is also cool). Rek'Sai was also created to actually DEAL DAMAGE later on, while the general consensus is that Lee Sin is more about the utility lategame. They are overall two way too different junglers to compare.

Also, I think it's time to stop the hate on CertainlyT. His kits have nothing wrong themselves, and just because most of his champs were broken on release it doesn't mean he's not a good designer. Sure, Yasuo was hella broken when he first came out, but CertainlyT was not the one who had to pick the numbers. Still, when you face a Yasuo nowadays, it is STATISTICALLY likely you're going to win the game, and even more likely you're going to crush him in lane because of how squishy he is. Then there's Kalista. I really don't know what people on this board complain about. She's not even that strong honestly, I've seen very few Kalistas become overwhelming, especially when not extremely fed. Picks like Corki, Lucian and Graves are still way stronger. If Kalista turns out to be a sleeper, I think it won't take much to bring her down, especially given how low her damage already his.

Cale017Dec 14, 20147 votes

Fair point.

TheTyeGuyDec 14, 20147 votes

Keep in mind. . . Lee Sin was made years ago. They didn't have the same design philosophy that they do now.

BudupopsDec 14, 20149 votes

keep in mind he is the pro scene mascot

DeliothDec 14, 20143 votes

So was Sion... And he was relaunched. I would be okay with Lee getting the same treatment. Probably won't happen though.

HibekiDec 16, 20141 votes

Keep in mind Nidalee was released even earlier than that

And then they re-released her, and she's even worse than before.

NervonousDec 15, 20145 votes

how about we talk about Fizz instead and the silly kit that champ has

DreadlocksDec 16, 20141 votes

Seriously ... This champ is banned more than any other champ in the games I play.. With good reason

HayaishiDec 14, 20144 votes

And thus the reason why Riot doesn't make another kit like Lee's. This is a good thing.

NamelessRaDec 15, 20144 votes

That's because rito has the balancing ability of a potato.

ExecutorDillDec 14, 20143 votes

I don't have a problem with that. It seemed like the smartest and most core fantasy way to have the void burrower capable of zooming across the map underground (thought that enemies he dashed into would take some minor- average damage atleast but i'm still cool with it as just transport that can easily be interrupted, because the rest of his kit is awesome xD

His gameplay somwhat bares some likeness to Shen's with a few extras like attack speed increase, movment speed steroid, physical and true damage.

Which is why I am angry because after all the nerfs shen got they throw Rek'Sai at us? I have came to the conclusion that Rek'Sai can do shen's job slightly better than Shen Top and by far a better Jungler, Rek'Sai base skin is purple and blue which was one of the reasons i liked malzahar. (Is riot's fabourite colour purple?)

JamnonDec 14, 20141 votes

I'm just waiting for Shen top, Rek jung.

Rek ULTs, shen ults onto Rek. The map explodes.

ShipwrekkDec 15, 20142 votes

With Twisted Fate mid

JamnonDec 15, 20142 votes

RekSai Jung Shen top or bot, TwistedFate mid, Kalista bot. Maybe with a Gangplank top or bot. Yum.

StanmangundyDec 14, 20142 votes

dont forget ults useless if u just died and they cleared all ur tunnels lmao, atleast make it require no tunnels

KeevalroyDec 14, 201420 votes

{quoted} atleast make it require no tunnels

That would be a terrible idea. She's balanced on release, something we haven't seen since Vel'Koz. Don't fix what isn't broken.

J EpsteinDec 14, 20142 votes

She's hardly balanced and is currently a problem in top lane.

MarhsallLee67Dec 14, 201416 votes

"I lost to her this one time rito pls nerf"

JunkοDec 14, 20142 votes

Balanced, meanwhile the 16/1 Rek'sai in one my last few ranked games that solo carried the game and went 1v5 and killed 4 people.

Vellich0rDec 14, 20142 votes

lol, vel isnt balanced, its just that no-one plays him because he isn't mobile enough for the LCS. pop him in solo queue though and we have ziggs with more damage and better waveclear.

KeevalroyDec 14, 20146 votes

I don't know, that sounds pretty balanced to me...

Vellich0rDec 14, 20142 votes

try playing against a good vel, he can win any match up, doesnt need ignite to secure kills, ridiculous base damages, high range, plentiful CC, massive AoE, god like waveclear, godlike poke, high safety in lane (though he is positioning reliant), is relevant throughout the game, always has kill potential on a lane opponent post 6, great TP ganks, great siege (attacking or defending), can carry even when behind in lane, not vulnerable to assassins in lane, great kiting. his trade-off for all of this? he has limited mobility in terms of abilities.

HoactzinDec 14, 20148 votes

how is he not vulnerable to assassins? I get that he can clear waves easily, but that typically takes me at least 2 W charges, at which point I don't have any more of my main damage ability but dat ult.

VDc0zCqe0wDec 15, 20141 votes

Vel is not played in LCS not because of the lack of mobility, but because of the lack of scaling

it's the same reason you don't see Zyra mid but you see her support: bullshit AP ratios, insanely high base damages; this is the definition of a support, not of an AP mid

Xerath is played in LCS but he is not mobile, he has the same movespeed as Velkoz, and both of them have got a way to escape ganks (xerath stun, velkoz knockback + huge slow)

when you prefer magic penetration to raw AP, you know you're not a midlaner

ninjacapoDec 14, 20142 votes

leesin falls off pretty hard, reksai gets stronger in the mid game. an across-the-map teleport isnt really a weak ultimate if youre playing the champion correctly

BudupopsDec 14, 20148 votes

lee sin is still stronger