Remove Poacher's Knife from all recommended builds

Budupops··72 votes·2,967 views

This item 3711 is a useless noob trap which i see jungle cho gath and jax get too often. Please remove it from recommended builds until it is reworked.

edit: changed abd to and :p

edit 2: Junglers who are recommended it but don't use it Aatrox Chogath Zac Elise Jax Irelia Nocturne Nunu Olaf Shyvana

edit 3: shyv added

42 Comments

A Miss Fortune22 votes

Nunu item 3721 {{summoner:2}}

the enemy jungler wanted to have fun

they've come to the wrong place

the yeti knows the way and he knows where you are too

always.

HeadHonchkrow3 votes

This drove me to buy Nunu

Voluug131 votes

Big Brother Yeti is watching you.

Dakuraigun14 votes

Why does this thing even exist.

Like, why. Literally no one builds it.

Not even Shaco

SquishyArchon10 votes

They can't do that because that would involve Riot admitting they created a useless item from lack of properly playtesting their game as per usual.

LOL Spammer1 votes
Delioth4 votes

I mean, it's worth it when I was against an Elise a patch or two ago as Sion. I decided at the beginning of the game that I was just farming her jungle.

And I did.

And I got so much gold from the poacher's as well as the several kills on elise in her own jungle that I didn't even farm my jungle.

No-one expects Sion's ult to come from THEIR side of the map.

Axis the Dragon7 votes

That actually sounds terrifying

Only Play Darius5 votes

Because back then Elise was a garbage-tier pushover. Try farming her jungle now and see what happens.

Roaranor1 votes

The same thing because her 1v1 from >50% is terrible unless she's ahead, and the only thing Riot really gave her was a buff to her already strong clears so farming is noob friendly now.

Delioth1 votes

I mean... Elise hasn't gotten any buffs and it was level 3... so she'd still be screwed and then really far behind.

AtheosisX2 votes

Better yet, please rework it ASAP.

Crowe Stalker1 votes

They are going to rework it in Pre-Season 6.

Bârd2 votes

Also Shyvana

High51 votes

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Also Shyvana

I'm not a fan of devouer. I prefer Cinder. Poacher is definitely the wrong choice though.

Diananmen Square2 votes

I gotta say, It's quite funny when I see the enemy Shyvana with Poacher's Knife to have 0 gold stolen from the enemy jungle.

Slamurai Jack2 votes

While we're at it, switch MasterYi recommended jungle item from item 3707 to item 3718 already.

The Lexer2 votes

Probably a good idea. I personally like item 3706 on Yi but I'm sure others definitely prefer item 3715

We really need to change Gragas item 3708 to item 3725

chide da jungler2 votes

it's true. I have never seen a winning team with poacher on a champ

EvilMerodach2 votes

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it's true. I have never seen a winning team with poacher on a champ

Clearly you've never made an enemy jungler ragequit.

  • #nextlevelstrats Seriously though...that's about the only use for item 3711, when you know for sure that the enemy jungler is afk. I mean, you'd probably win anyway, cause 4v5, but item 3932 does accelerate that a good bit...

Unless it's a 4v4, with say...ally adc afk, and enemy jungle afk, then, poachers could actually be legit way to win.

Rebonack2 votes

Rework it into the farming jungle item.

Make its effects work on both sides of the jungle.

Done and done.

Blkninjar872 votes

Wait the red one gives u a broken true damage dot with vision on the enemy.

The blue one gives a strong true damage and saps the enemies move speed..

The purple one increases sustain and stuns monsters and reduces smite CD.

And for some reason ALL poachers does is give u some shitty ass move speed buff oafter killing the main large monster only and 30 gold? LIKE I wonder who came up with that fabulous idea!

How about poacher's knife actually make it so u kill enemy's jungle faster.... Maybe heal for the damage of the smite,and increased duration on the fucking buffs. Cause lets face it, move speed and 30 gold ain't helping me counter jungle anything. The fact that that's all they could come up with is kinda disturbing~ and free watds on a counter jg item would be nice cause... U know u kinda don't wanna counter jg without vision.. Maybe that's what the extra 20-30 gold was for.. Investments into wards! What a joke of an item.

Also I don't understand riot they said they would fix poachers but instead were more interested in making devourer broken. Like can riot ever ffix the useless crap before they break the crap that didn't need fixing.

arc951 votes

but its so trolly and fun... nothing is better than drive by buff steals because of its speed boost XD

Ticklish Tas1 votes

{quoted} Junglers who are recommended it but don't use it

who are you to judge it's an item dependent on playstyle, not necessarily the champion

Anidan5 votes

Even then, isn't the playstyle better met with Ranger's Trailblazer which gives you sustain going through their jungle and an AoE smite to steal faster?

Or Challenging Smite so you can duel the enemy jungler every day of the week?

Jungle Lux God2 votes

It's an item dependent on a playstyle, but it doesn't do it's job well enough to account for the risks compared to the other three items, not to mention it punishes you in the mid-game for trying to counterjungle.

If counterjungling was a viable playstyle, this item would not make it better.

RottedApples1 votes

It was recommended on shyvana. i don't know if it still is though.

High51 votes

Yeah, it's a pretty bad item. Essence Reaver needs to be removed too.

Lowvyr4 votes

item 3070 Ezreal Jayce item 3070

Thresh Outta Fux1 votes

{quoted}

Yeah, it's a pretty bad item. Essence Reaver needs to be removed too.

Not ER. All ER needs is a 2nd tier item that applies it's passive at a lower efficiency/gold cost. But ER+Skarner? Heheheh...

Chespin20131 votes

Either just rework the item or just remove it entirely since its not worth over item 3709 item 3717 item 3725

Xietnin1 votes

Nunu You can't tell me what to do when the jungler is off ganking and not charging up Devourer.

CoolKnightST1 votes

Their where a lot of suggestions that could make item 3711 more viable:

  • Increase smite range
  • Something with vision
  • Smiting a monster will drain out the gold. If an enemy champion kills it he will not recieve gold from it. (maybe whe can even let him drain the entire buff, doesn't work on baron & dragon offcourse)

#Other ideas:

  • Remove the stun part from item 3713 & give it to item 3711. Now stuns only the targetted monster for 2 seconds.
Dr Poro6 votes

I don't want item 3711 to be viable. Getting counter jungled is a pain in the ass. You can spam ping on the enemy who is in your jungle all you want, you can ask your laners to ward their entrances, but (even at plat 1) people in soloQ often don't listen. Then you are 0/4/0 at minute 15 and they start waking up "wow our jungler sucks" "wtf so useless" "why is their jungler so fed?"

MAN OF INTELLECT1 votes

Shaco becomes God-Tier in one fell swoop.

Shaco Shaco Shaco

CoolKnightST1 votes

Their are 3 jungle playstyles in this game:

  • Gank Style
  • Farm Style
  • Controle Style

The gank junglers like Nidalee focus on ganking and heavy dominate the Farming playstyle. While they struggle again the controle playstyle with counterganks & vision over your jungle. When the gank meta is dominated. Games tend to be finished quit quickly.

The farm junglers like Shyvana focus on farming and entirely rely on outscaling in the lategame.

The controle junglers like Nunu trying to slow down the game by controle vision & punish the enemy jungler by taking their camp, counterganking. Overal a controle jungler can compleetly shut a gank jungler down & still outscale him.

Now with the items:

  • item 3706 an item that is many focussed on ganking. Jungler can use this to make their ganking a little bit easyer.
  • item 3715 an item that is foccused on dueling.
  • item 3713 an item that is foccused on farming, waveclear & sustain.
  • item 3711 the item focussed on counterjungling

I think the real question whe should ask ourself. Can item 3713 replace the counter jungle function that item 3711 currently provides.

Budupops1 votes

It already does

Jungle Lux God1 votes

That list of champions recommended it is bizarre.

If it was a list of champions that are known to be good counterjunglers (or even meta junglers in the case or Irelia and Jax), then it would make a lot of sense, as the item was designed to be good for counterjungling.

At least half of those junglers are not good at counterjungling. I know Nunu and Shyvanna are known to be good counterjunglers, but most of the other champions aren't good counterjunglers (please correct me if I'm wrong about the other champions though, I don't play everyone), so it would make sense for them to have it.

I definitely agree that Poacher's Knife should be removed from recommended item builds. It's just so useless at everything except something too risky to do consistently that it should be removed until it gets reworked, as the only time this item could possibly be good is if it was completely broken.

TotalJerk1 votes

I've said before that it isn't necessarily a noob trap because if you don't know why it's bad, you're probably at the MMR when your opponent doesn't, either. It's still bad in that case though because noobs neither can nor will counterjungle.

alfavhunter1 votes

The solution should be this

Change the item from giving extra gold to giving the jungle item an on use effect to place wards

Example

Killing the enemies large jungle monster with smite now gives you one charge of jungle sight up to 3 and going to your fountain will grant you one charge of jungle sight of you are at 0 stacks

You can use one charge of jungle sight to put a vision ward down (basically it's a jungler version of sight stone)

This gives more map vision and can be beneficial to your team by being better at shutting down the enemy jungler from preventing him from farming and ganking

Sasogwa1 votes

Counterjungle Nunu might like item 3711

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